Is this the same Ayers I just heard that Hassain Obama want's to appoint as his Secretary of Education? Brief association, give me a break. A man is known by the company he keeps.
There is no way that anyone would appoint that Ayers fellow for anything in their Cabinet.
That is an unfounded rumor.
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Let's see how excited you get about one of Obama's followers, does this shock you? This is the kind of people who support Hussain Oshama. I'm very sick to think these are the kinds of people who will run our government. I'm not sure how Biden can stomach being on the same ticket with him. Don't try to tell me this is a Right Wing scare tactic. Listen to her if you have the stomach.
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Actress comedienne Sandra Bernhard is the latest Obama supporter to lash out at conservative Governor Sarah Palin. Ms. Bernhard's latest comedy sketch includes Sarah Palin gang rape jokes.
Keep it classy, Sandra:
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The same argument could be made about the kind of people who support Sen. McCain-- the types of people that prompted this thread in the first place.
No one can say that Sen. McCain or Gov. Palin is racist, even though some of his idiotic supporters are indeed that way.
Following your argument, Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin would be racist.
Of course that's not true.
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Google this . Sandra Bernhardt, Sarah Palin and "Gang -Rape?"
She speaks as if she's a vile female doberman pincher!
She supports Sen. Obama.
So do a slew of other classy, educated, Christian and Jewish folks who are more respectful than this Bernhardt person. She is entitled to express her opinions, but she does not represent Democrats.
She definitely does not represent this Republican Obama supporter.
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She speaks as if she's a vile female doberman pincher!
She supports Sen. Obama.
So do a slew of other classy, educated, Christian and Jewish folks who are more respectful than this Bernhardt person. She is entitled to express her opinions, but she does not represent Democrats.
She definitely does not represent this Republican Obama supporter.
...yet my friend, you point out in the title piece of this thread that some wacky americans who show up at a rally yelling OFF WITH THEIR HEADS is proof positive that McCain aint that great...
Now Im not trying to score points on you. Fact is, you wouldnt have posted that if the media wasnt talking about it.... but why isnt the media talking about Sandra Bernhardt? who by the way is a very popular comedian....
You know what I really think you are seeing with this vitriol against Obama right now? It is frustration that the Palin has been so brutally attacked and the media does nothing (except when they are dog piling)
But and slight on Obama and the media is all over it. there is a massive double standard here and I think you are seeing some real frustration boiling over.
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I have my preferences in the election,but I certainly don't hate anyone with an opposing view.
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There they can find plenty of fault.
I wasn't making a "guilt by association" argument.
The purpose of this thread was for me to post about the lunacy I saw and how put off I was by it.
Another purpose of this thread was to elaborate on how difficult it is to bring much needed diversity to the Republican Party when you have such idiots not openly repudiated.
However, in Wisconsin today, Sen. McCain did openly repudiate the "rudeness" of some of his supporters.
That is what was needed to happen-- the first time.
As for Sen. Obama and Ayers and others-- if these associations are brief and are over ten years old, it just seems like it's being brought up to stop him from being elected, as a smear tactic-- not as something of substance.
You say you arent making the guilt by association argument, but the principle is there. Its a little hard to justify condemning McCain for the shouts of strangers in a crowd and pooh-poohing the relationships Obama has with very radical people.
For every kook shouting nonesense at a McCain/Palin rally, there are dozens of Hollywood celebrities that are pathetically attacking the GOP ticket with very crude humor, angry remarks and distasteful suggestions. I haven't heard Obama repudiating these. In fact he gladly receives their support and donations.
If McCain had been in any way associated with Timothy McVey ten or teanty years ago, do you think the liberal media and the Democrats would be leaving it alone? These relationships were not "brief" as you suggest. They were intertwined in Chicago area politics and community projects. And it should be brought up to stop him from being elected---especially since the Obama campaign seems very defensive about it, and that Obama lied in saying that Ayers was"just a man who lived in my neighborhood." If such an inconsequential relationship, why lie about it?
Lies and obfuscation are red flag warnings to me from anyone who wants to be president.
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...yet my friend, you point out in the title piece of this thread that some wacky americans who show up at a rally yelling OFF WITH THEIR HEADS is proof positive that McCain aint that great...
Now Im not trying to score points on you. Fact is, you wouldnt have posted that if the media wasnt talking about it.... but why isnt the media talking about Sandra Bernhardt? who by the way is a very popular comedian....
You know what I really think you are seeing with this vitriol against Obama right now? It is frustration that the Palin has been so brutally attacked and the media does nothing (except when they are dog piling)
But and slight on Obama and the media is all over it. there is a massive double standard here and I think you are seeing some real frustration boiling over.
I did not attribute the remarks to the hidden views of Sen. McCain or Gov. Palin.
I did attribute the remarks as reason to why there are so many minorities who view the Republican party with disdain.
I stated that the remarks of the idiots at the McCain/Palin rallies needed to be addressed by McCain/Palin so to keep themselves from being associated with the idiots.
Sen. McCain did that in Wisconsin today. I am glad he did as it was the only decent thing to do.
One of the points of this thread was to elaborate on how it is difficult to attract more minorities to the Republican party when they allow, without rebuke, some of the stuff that was beginning to happen.
I don't remember criticizing Sen. McCain for the remarks-- I wanted him to address the issue and he did.
For the record, I had never heard of Sandra Bernhardt before this thread.
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You say you arent making the guilt by association argument, but the principle is there. (1) Its a little hard to justify condemning McCain for the shouts of strangers in a crowd and pooh-poohing the relationships Obama has with very radical people.
(2) For every kook shouting nonesense at a McCain/Palin rally, there are dozens of Hollywood celebrities that are pathetically attacking the GOP ticket with very crude humor, angry remarks and distasteful suggestions. I haven't heard Obama repudiating these. In fact he gladly receives their support and donations.
If McCain had been in any way associated with Timothy McVey ten or teanty years ago, do you think the liberal media and the Democrats would be leaving it alone? (3) These relationships were not "brief" as you suggest. They were intertwined in Chicago area politics and community projects. And it should be brought up to stop him from being elected---especially since the Obama campaign seems very defensive about it, and that Obama lied in saying that Ayers was"just a man who lived in my neighborhood." If such an inconsequential relationship, why lie about it?
Lies and obfuscation are red flag warnings to me from anyone who wants to be president.
Hey Deacon,
(1) I did not condemn Sen. McCain in this thread.
(2) Outside of Bernhardt, I haven't heard of anyone advocating any kind of violence towards any of the candidates.
The Hollywood folks you are talking about are NOT in Sen. Obama's face, or at one of his rallies shouting epithets of race and violence. One can't address everything, but if it's happening right in front of you and you're supposed to be a leader, then you should take charge of that situation.
(3) If Sen. Obama is lying, then he needs to be held accountable for his lies and Americans will hold him accountable by simply not voting for him.
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