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TrmptPraise · #71 02-26-2008, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Go figure, Amos being intellectually dishonest with the viewing public. WWPF is no NCO.

Big difference $$$$$$$.

WWPF has divisions and will be collecting dues and offerings for it's various cloned UPCI divisions.

I know this was the big argument on the con forums but let's be honest fellas.

why is it you just never simply agree with me....always have to one-up...

SDG · #72 02-26-2008, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TrmptPraise

why is it you just never simply agree with me....always have to one-up...

This is about the benjamins now, TP ... now that control has been ceded.

bkstokes · #73 02-26-2008, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TrmptPraise

why is it you just never simply agree with me....always have to one-up...

You guys jesting is the best part of this thread (outside of Mr. Ellis' history lessons). I don't belong to any of these groups NCO, UPC, or WPF although I know people from all of them. Thus, I don't take a side.

TrmptPraise · #74 02-26-2008, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bkstokes

You guys jesting is the best part of this thread (outside of Mr. Ellis' history lessons). I don't belong to any of these groups NCO, UPC, or WPF although I know people from all of them. Thus, I don't take a side.

Hey I appreciated Bro. Ellis' lesson.

I actually think Thad..erm I mean Dan and I probably are pretty close on subject of the organizational "status" of the WPF

OneAccord · #75 02-26-2008, 10:45 PM

Did Dan see the new version of 2 Kings 2?

TrmptPraise · #76 02-26-2008, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by OneAccord

Did Dan see the new version of 2 Kings 2?

Not sure if he did, but the mantle has been passed.

Did not know you were into prophecy, OA!

bishoph · #77 02-26-2008, 11:47 PM

The UPCI manual states in part Article VII, Section 2, Paragraph 6 "No minister shall be permitted to hold license or ordination with any other religious organization or association," this clearly is not violated by having membership in fellowship which licenses or ordains no one.

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Originally Posted by Mrs. LPW

I have a question for anyone who might have a serious or sensible answer... not for debate or ridicule...

Why would someone belong to both organizations at the same time?
For fellowshipping?

And, why would someone who was already looking at the WPF, for a preferred Apostolic future, be forced out by the UPCI making this decision?
Most likely if they were considering WPF they wouldn't be satisfied with the UPCI as it presently is.. and thus it wouldn't make much of a difference to whether they leave or stay.

I guess I'm thinking of how I would look at it, if I had a problem with the tv advertising etc.

Again I guess I will take on the role of the AFF resident WPF defnder.

even though I am not yet a member. First, it has been stated many times that the WPF is not an organization any more than the AWCF, IAF, etc are organizations. Both of the "fellowships" which I mention charge dues/membership fees, and have structured departments (more loosely structured than the WPF, but structured none the less.) and were vehemently opposed by the UPCI at their inception. (Especially the AWCF) Both were accused of being competing organizations, and both have proven them (the UPCI) wrong over the years.

The reality is, that while many here doubt the veracity of the WPF founders, and or question their integrity and ethical purity, no one can actually prove that the actions these men have taken are out of hatred, jealousy, greed for power, or any other trumped up charges that have been made. One can only believe that what these men have stated as their motivation is indeed the truth, until such time as it is proven otherwise.

In answer to your question Mrs. LPW, there are many reasons why someone may wish to be in both groups. First, they may be in a situation where they cannot leave the organization because of indebtedness of their church (such as a Home Missions church) or because of family ties. or because their congregation prefers to fellowship in the UPCI, and the Pastor sees the WPF more as a point of fellowship for him rather than his congregation. Again to be fair, one must be required to drop their membership with the YMCA, AWCF, IAF, NCO, or any other "religious" association if the rule will apply to the WPF.

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Originally Posted by Ferd

I disagree.

the long standing rule in the UPCI is that you cannot hold dual membership with any other Apostolic organization.

You cannot be UPCI and ALJC
You cannot be AWCF and UPCI

why would one think they can be WWPF and UPCI?

makes no since to allow the WWPF guys to stay. Do disrespect here. simply being consistance (something the UPCI is all too often accused of NOT being. )

Im glad they got this done so soon.

This is not factually accurate. The UPCI manual does not currently prohibit membership with another religious "fellowship." The only prohibition comes from holding license or credentials with another organization. The AWCF, IAF, NCO, and the WPF do not issue license or credentials which allows UPCI members to currently be "members" of such religious associations.

In fact there are many UPCI ministers who belong to the AWCF, IAF, and probably some have even joined the NCO, without any problems with their UPCI membership. (I know DA takes exception with the NCO reference however, it is a "fellowship" of sorts or more accurately IMO a religious association.)

Where you are correct is being ALJC & UPCI would not be acceptable because both issue license and credentials which are specifically prohibited.

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Originally Posted by Ferd

LOL! Amos, the big benifit of the NCO is you get an email every once in a while.

WWPF is giving people benifits, has a bible school, bought property for a headquarters...etc.

so if a guy is NCO, is he really part of two seperate organization?

if a guy is part of the WWPF and the UPCI? well now, seems to me its a no brainer.

One small thing here, the WPF has not bought any property for a headquarters. They have leased some office space to handle logistics. The AWCF, IAF, and other groups all have headquarters as well.

ChicagoPastor · #78 02-27-2008, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Go figure, Amos being intellectually dishonest with the viewing public. WWPF is no NCO.

Big difference $$$$$$$.

WWPF has divisions and will be collecting dues and offerings for it's various cloned UPCI divisions.

I know this was the big argument on the con forums but let's be honest fellas.

I agree, Dan.
The NCO doesn't have a Youth Dept and FMD, ect.
There are no dues and no Conferences. It exsits in name.
The NCO doesn't have a National HQ's, no "council" and chairperson.

The NCO doesn't use the UPC mailing list to push it's agenda....

ChicagoPastor · #79 02-27-2008, 12:34 AM

I can confirm that this has been passed.
Members of the UPC will not be allowed to carry dual memberships.
This will be enforced by the District Boards.

bishoph · #80 02-27-2008, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

I can confirm that this has been passed.
Members of the UPC will not be allowed to carry dual memberships.
This will be enforced by the District Boards.

You are very correct in stating that it has indeed passed and it is up to the District to enforce as they see fit.

Legally the UPCI will have a long arduous road to legally enforcing such a ruling, unless they enforce it upon AWCF, IAF, and other "fellowship" association members as well. JMHO

Also according to the bylaws of the UPCI this "ruling" is not binding unless it is brought to the body for ratification, but this has not always been followed in the past.