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Old 01-28-2008, 10:14 PM
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Re: Changes in the UPC over the past 30 years

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All I am saying is you and I fall short.

Sometimes we don't walk after the Spirit.

We aren't perfect, and our hope is in our confession to Christ.
For what it's worth, I agree. I find it amazing some take the extreme view that to say what you just did is, in effect, actively promoting sin "that grace may abound".

Wait! Listen! .....I hear another 10 versus being prepared somewhere!
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I'm in total agreement. What do you know?
I think we agree more than we realize.
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I don't know about you but I sure do.

Yes sir, me too.
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For what it's worth, I agree. I find it amazing some take the extreme view that to say what you just did is, in effect, actively promoting sin "that grace may abound".

Wait! Listen! .....I hear another 10 versus being prepared somewhere!
God forbid!
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For what it's worth, I agree. I find it amazing some take the extreme view that to say what you just did is, in effect, actively promoting sin "that grace may abound".

Wait! Listen! .....I hear another 10 versus being prepared somewhere!
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Old 01-28-2008, 10:20 PM
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Re: Changes in the UPC over the past 30 years

OK, back to the

CHANGES...

UPC Statement of Faith that once read

Repentance and Conversion, Baptism, and recieving the Holy Spirit

has been changed to read

Repentance, Baptism, and recieving the Holy Spirit


Hmmmm....
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Re: Changes in the UPC over the past 30 years

It is weird to think on March 13th 2008 it will have been 30 years since my Dad, Bible teacher and evangelist John A Eckstadt passed away.

Since his death here are some changes in Pentecost.

1. Sermon's on the soon coming of Christ (almost gone).

2. Sermon's on Sin (Not standards) sin.

3. Those week long revivals.

4. Young men growing up with a desire to be a minister (Who's hero is a minister)

5. Bible teaching is a lost art.

6. We have exchanged Bible teaching on Wednesday night for coffee cake and gossip night. We call it home fellowship night.

7. Fellowship used to be at Stuckey's or Steak & Shake on Sunday night after church. That is where we as kids in the past generation made our friendships.

8. We had smaller churches and buildings but we used them more.

9. Pastor's I am convinced spent more time on their sermon preparation.

10. We have moved into the Google a sermon generation. Many of the young ministers could not tell you who Matthew Henry or Charles Spurgeon was...

11. The King James version of the bible has been replaced with the Instant Message version. Jesus said, "I AM" not "IM".

12 We exchanged the word in our sermon's from "faith" to "Sow".

13. The word "faith" was in relation to Moving spiritual mountains, the word "Sow" today that replaced "faith" means prosperity with a sprinkel of health and well being. Today you only reap what you sow when you give, not with what you do!

14. The modern day book in the religious section of the book store quotes Zig Ziglar more than Jesus.

15. Sermon's from the Old testement are old fashioned.

16. Songs are written less about Jesus and more about how to be his friend.

17. Preaching on hell is a thing of the past. Most modern day Pentecostals believe in Angels but would tell you demons are not manifested beings.

18. Just flat out good preaching seems to be dying out. That has to be one reason for mega churches. If you are one of the few to have it they will come.

19. Busing is a thing of the past.

20. Dressing your best each service is the thing of the past.

21. Popping into your pastor's office without an appointment is the thing of the past.

22. That one usher that all the kids were afraid of is a thing of the past.

23. Those sunday school teacher couples that you remember the rest of your life is a thing of the past.

24. The move of God is more modern. I remember when even in the 1980's that when the move of God started in a service. We would see men praying with each other. Woman would be praying with each other.

25. Some of the real not Benny Hinn miracles, I have witnessed were seen in a spirit filled church march.


26. How about the service in your church that you will remember for 30 years.

I remember some but they are 20 years old. Our memories of the move of God are short anymore.

I think we now live in the moment and have forgotten that God does not live in a single moment.

He transends time and it is about time we start building memories that help substain the next generation....
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Re: Changes in the UPC over the past 30 years

I remember some of the real old timers during the late 70's thinking that dinosaurs were a trick of the scientists/devil.

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5. Bible teaching is a lost art.
I DO remember bible studies being MUCH more common. The question would be asked "How many are teaching a Search for Truth?" and at least 5-8 hands would go up. Now I think it is just a tiny fraction of that.

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18. Just flat out good preaching seems to be dying out. That has to be one reason for mega churches. If you are one of the few to have it they will come.
Depends what you define as "good". LOL I am personally thankful that fiery,gasping,asthma-like preaching is less common and replaced with more thoughtful teaching.
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Re: Changes in the UPC over the past 30 years

Neck, I gotta say much of that has not changed where i am at.
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Re: Changes in the UPC over the past 30 years

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Not sure what you mean by "sin free" Stephen.

Do you not believe that the blood is there for continual cleansing if we avail ourselves of that IF we do sin? What about the scripture that says the blood of Christ "cleanseth" us from our sin. The "eth" always denotes a continual action. That is there for us when we need it and when we admit guilt and sin. Once you're cleansed, you're clean until the next time you sin or transgress. Then you can avail yourself of that cleansing once again.

Do you not believe the scripture that says that if we walk in the Spirit we will NOT fulfil the lust of the flesh?

I believe that it's possible to live in victory. In fact, I KNOW it is.


Sis. Felicity,

I also know that we can live an overcoming life by the Blood of the Lamb

and by the word of our testimony.

In the early 1930's, my maternal grandmother and her young son, our father,

attended a revival at the Virginia Point Methodist Church, in Fannin County,

north of Savoy, Texas. Our late father went forward to "accept Christ as

his personal Saviour". I heard him say many times through the years that it

was a good place to start but by no means no place to stop.


His maternal grandmother had been a charter member of the Methodist

church for 48 yrs., his mother for 21 yrs and as a new teenager, he was

going to be a Methodist

like his mother and grandmother. He loved to attend the Baptist Church be-

cause of the training union (youth program), but he was going to follow the

traditions of his elders and be a Methodist.


He found out a few after saying the sinner's prayer that try as he may, he

could not help but cussing as he had done previously. This concerned him

greatly. He told his mother that he didn't feel saved. She took him to the

pastor of the Methodist Church for counsel. He told young Robert's mother

that there was no way he could not sin a little every day. He said the boy

will just have to accept his salvation by faith. This did not satisfy the young

boy's mother as she very emphatically replied, "Then what did Jesus Christ

die for! The Bible said He died FOR our sins, not IN them". No doubt this

incident was preparing this family for not long after that, an old preacher

with his white-hairing blowing in the wind as he proclaimed the teaching of

the Apostles, on the street corner of their small town.


Grandma read her Bible regularly as a Methodist and her first reaction upon

hearing this new teaching was that she was going home and read her Bible

and prove that preacher wrong. My dad, having some knowledge of the JW

teachings because of two uncles that liked to argue with them. He told his

mother, "Mother, sounds like more of that JW doctrine, don't you think"?

"No, Son, I've searched the scriptures and it's in there". How close we could

have come to have not heard the gospel of Jesus Christ in its fullness. I

thank God that Grandma was wise enough to not listen to a "child" as he was

not yet mature enough to make that decision. He decided maybe he should

listen more closely after his mother's answer. He had much confidence in his

mother who he knew to be endeavoring to follow God in all that she knew.

She was very devout as far as what she understood. They repented, was

baptized in Jesus Name and received the Holy Ghost after. Daddy said they

found what they had needed.


They found POWER to live an overcoming life and found an Advocate if they

did miss Him. I too know from experience that we can live overcoming lives

by the Blood of the Lamb and by the word of our testimony.


I received this same experience 50 yrs. ago this year. Yes. I have made

mistakes, repented and moved on. All of our children (all married to their

original spouses) have received the same experience and are living over-

coming lives, active in church with all of their children there with them.

If we will be faithful to God, He will be faithful to us. If we take care of

the things that are precious to Him, He will take care of those things which

are precious to us. The blessings of the children lie in the obedience of

their parents. The children are blessed by those who precede them.

Better than what we can leave TO our children is what we leave IN them.

Blessings,

Falla39
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