((((UPC FLASH)))))) Announcing the Next Possible General SUPT. Of the UPC!!!

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Agreed ... but when trying to preserve one's self, group or belief system .... there can be a domino effect ... for every action there is a reaction.

That doesn't justify wrongdoing.

It might explain it, but it doesn't justify it.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

That doesn't justify wrongdoing.

It might explain it, but it doesn't justify it.

My vantage point is to try explain it ... and to point out how perceptions often lead people to justify their actions ... there's a lot of justifying going around on both sides.

[RevDWW]

I paid for my own hair cut this week and I have shaved a few days as well, I'm grooming myself to be the GS of my household.........

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

My vantage point is to explain it ... and to point out how perceptions often lead people to justify their actions ... there's a lot of justifying going around on both sides.

Yep.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

This could be nipped ....

If the UPCI chooses to eliminate this option on their end.

Either by placing some of the Tulsa group leadership under question w/ the cooperation of DS's and their boards ....

or

pressuring those w/ dual membership to "make up their" minds through other methods.


Those in leadership may explore these options so they can preserve their livelihoods.

The UPCI has a stipulation that a minister can not hold license in organizations other than the UPC. So will the new "fellowship" be in the spirit of this bylaw or just keeping to the letter?

[TRIPLE E]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Jack's days in the limelight have long passed ... IMO.

He represents, fairly or not, the days of NU's administration .... when high charisma and deficit/wasteful spending were en vogue.

Again we agree!

[TRIPLE E]

Originally Posted by Pastor G

Pastor D, that was funny... I do not see JC being GS at all... I am not sure that anywhere close to a majority want him to represent them to the world..

Again agreed!

[retsambeW]

Originally Posted by philjones

So.... Only the UPC has the right to encourage men to forsake their current environment for one that might better meet their needs and support their views?

Come on Webbie... you are not serious... are you?

Yes, I am indeed. Sustitute any acronym there, and you will have an understanding of my true meaning. Since we are dealing with the UPC, that is why they are included.

My main point is, that the difference between what Coon said and what I am saying is this:

A UPC man promoting the UPC is one thing. A UPC man tearing down his own group is another. I am personally aware of a conversation (I was there) where arm twisting and anti UPC rhetoric was being used to persuade myself and someone else to go to Tulsa and drop. Keep in mind, this was not by a member of the committee, but it is happening. It is unethical the way it was being done. I do not appreciate it in the least. And, it would not matter if you substituted any organization if this was happening to some other group. The principle is the same, regardless.

Originally Posted by retsambeW

Yes, I am indeed. Sustitute any acronym there, and you will have an understanding of my true meaning. Since we are dealing with the UPC, that is why they are included.

My main point is, that the difference between what Coon said and what I am saying is this:

A UPC man promoting the UPC is one thing. A UPC man tearing down his own group is another. I am personally aware of a conversation (I was there) where arm twisting and anti UPC rhetoric was being used to persuade myself and someone else to go to Tulsa and drop. Keep in mind, this was not by a member of the committee, but it is happening. It is unethical the way it was being done. I do not appreciate it in the least. And, it would not matter if you substituted any organization if this was happening to some other group. The principle is the same, regardless.

I guess we all have a different perspective on the issue. I don't see your postion but then I am not standing in your shoes.

How are you by the way? I trust all is well. Hug the kids for me and wish them a Merry Christmas for the white headed fat boy!

[RevBuddy]

I thought the subject WAS JC & the GS...

KH will not push JC...believe me...

JC is doing GI because he's the best for it...CC is not...but having said that...

it doesn't a GS make.