Random Questions Thread

[shag]

As it is being taught in my local church, (Israel being still Gods chosen…)
Wouldn’t this verse put a stop to them inheriting this land promise, that is being taught today? (“Regathering of the Jews to their inherited land promise”)

Because, if they are cut off from among that (chosen) people, they could not inherit the promise anyway.

https://biblehub.com/bsb/acts/3.htm




https://cdn.subsplash.com/documents/...9/document.pdf
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(So then, all the promises including the land, would only come through those that do not reject the Messiah.)


This is from Acts 3, and it was only Jews, because the gospel had not reached the gentiles yet. So “the people” were Jews.
Unbelieving Jews cut off from believing Jews.
And only the believing would therefore inherit the promises, including “land”.

I’m sorry I’m not very good at communicating my thoughts sometimes.

[Amanah]

You are fine

They are not inheriting anything until they repent and get grafted back in.

Israel was broken off from the olive tree, representing God's people, due to rejecting Jesus, their Messiah (Acts 3). Now, all peoples, including Israel, must repent and be grafted into the olive tree through the New Covenant, becoming part of the "Israel of God" (Galatians 6:16). This spiritual transformation allows them to inherit the promises of God, including the New Earth (Revelation 21). Through repentance and obeying the gospel, individuals from all nations can be grafted into the olive tree, becoming part of God's redeemed people and inheriting eternal life in the New Earth.

[shag]

Gal. 3:29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

I think there are some(at least in my small circle) that would say that this promise of Abraham does not include the land promise.

Thoughts?

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by shag

Gal. 3:29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

I think there are some(at least in my small circle) that would say that this promise of Abraham does not include the land promise.

Thoughts?

I would say that they are correct. The land promise is part of the old covenant which is no longer in effect. Even for Jews. That’s my understanding anyway.

I think if you read the whole chapter you will realize that it has nothing to do with the land. It has to do with the promise versus the law.

3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.

5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

The promise (in this case) is that all nations will be blessed. The promise was before the law. It wasn’t subject to the law. It was according to faith. (Something I have been trying to explain to Amanah and Esaias to no avail.)

Read verse 8. We (as Gentiles) are the heathen. We Gentiles are justified by faith. That is the promise of Abraham. Preached before the gospel. In thee shall all the nations be blessed.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shag

Gal. 3:29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

I think there are some(at least in my small circle) that would say that this promise of Abraham does not include the land promise.

Thoughts?

Dispensationalists need to find "physical genealogical Judeans and the rest of the 11 tribal members. Which they cannot do. Also the real-estate issue was taken care of in Ezra and Nehemiah. The temple and wall rebuilt and then finished by the time of Herod. Jesus comes on the scene, tells them that they are NOT children of Abraham. If they were children of Abraham they would of loved Him. Yet, by their actions they are really children of Satan. Hence the though is truly driven home in Galatians 3:29 if you are baptized in Jesus name, filled with the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of speaking in other tongues, then, and only then, are you Abraham's seed.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

I would say that they are correct. The land promise is part of the old covenant which is no longer in effect. Even for Jews. That’s my understanding anyway.

You are correct.

[Tithesmeister]

Verse 14.

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

The blessing of Abraham came on the Gentiles by the works of the law.

I know we like to be all equity and inclusion, to the point that we think the Gentiles have to follow the same path as the Jews, but this chapter is screaming that the Gentiles are of promise and through faith in Jesus. Not the law.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Gentiles were never part of the old covenant (the law). We are of promise, which preceded the law.

[Tithesmeister]

So the context of this passage is not about land. It’s about faith (in salvation through the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ) versus the law (which is faith in works or humanity).

Chapter 4 brings it home in a beautiful way. An allegory of Isaac (child of promise God promised a child to Abram and Sarah) versus a child born to Hagar (Ishmael, who was the child of human nature, ie no faith). Ishmael is compared to the law, “which gendereth to bondage “. Isaac is the child of promise (faith in Jesus Christ).

Remember, chapters and verses were added later. We should read the book like a letter, which is what it really is.

21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by shag

Doesn’t this verse annul the idea of any jews that still reject Jesus as messiah, from inheriting Gods promise of land per Ez. 37-38, as taught by dispensationlists?
(Taught as now and in the very near future, regathering to their “deed and titled homeland”)

Acts 3:23 Anyone who does not listen to him will be completely cut off from their people.

Completely cut off to inherit any Land inheritance that might have been just for them, (as perceived by disp.)

1. Israel was required to obey all prophets sent by God. Failure to do so would cause them to be cut off. This certainly applies to rejecting the Messiah.

2. The people today who call themselves Jews are not (at least for the most part) the descendants of Jacob. They are no more (or less) "cut off" than the unbelieving communist Chinaman who hates Jesus.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

It was according to faith. (Something I have been trying to explain to Amanah and Esaias to no avail.)

How cute. But you get no prizes for gaslighting.