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07-05-2013, 09:15 PM
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial Live Streaming
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You obviously are not following the case. The teachers that testified said that GZ was wanting to study to be a Prosecutor, not a cop. The HO wanted to outfit GZ with a uniform and car, for his neighborhood watch business, and he declined the offer.
When GZ's life was comprised, he then is on self-defense. And as the Defense stated in closing arguments today - "We have the injuries to prove our client was sucker punched." That means he is now in self-defense mode and should be acquitted.
I will say that anyone or group that threatens to riot are a bunch of barbaric people, and need to be shot.
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http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/...mmerman-trial/
If there is an acquittal, if there is a protest that is peaceful in the Sanford-Orlando area, I will be there.
For me, this has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment.
I'll say again, a full acquittal in this situation will open the door for "legalized" gun-toting vigilantism-- as long as you kill the subject and as long as there aren't any witnesses to say otherwise, you can do what you want under the guise of "neighborhood watch".
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07-05-2013, 09:20 PM
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial Live Streaming
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Sure, when the juvenile has done something wrong enough to be tried as an adult. In this case, the juvenile is dead.
We have the testimony of the girl he was on the phone with-- but I know she doesn't appear to be credible.
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No, she isn't credible either. She testifies that TM's ear buds dropped to the ground, but they were in his pocket when they found him dead.
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No marks or physical proof.
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No, TM had no marks to show GZ was attacking him. He sure didn't hit GZ after he was shot. So......self-defense for GZ.
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No proof of the deceased walking around the defendant's car either. If that happened, when did it happen, and why was it not mentioned in the phone call to the police?
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No proof it didn't happen either.
Lots of crime in the area, break-ins in that neighborhood were nothing new, mainly young black men, Florida has highest national rate of crime - GZ is right to be suspicious - it is dark, he doesn't recognize the young man, and it is raining. Bad night to be walking about.
The thing is, you can say that GZ followed or shouldn't have followed, but TM was ahead of him and had plenty of time to go home. It's raining, it's dark and someone spots in him on the complex ground. So, why didn't he go home. Why did he decide to hang back and then attack GZ.
Today, ME says he studied the THC issue and agrees TM had enough in his system to distort his thinking.
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07-05-2013, 09:22 PM
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial Live Streaming
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http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/...mmerman-trial/
If there is an acquittal, if there is a protest that is peaceful in the Sanford-Orlando area, I will be there.
For me, this has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment.
I'll say again, a full acquittal in this situation will open the door for "legalized" gun-toting vigilantism-- as long as you kill the subject and as long as there aren't any witnesses to say otherwise, you can do what you want under the guise of "neighborhood watch".
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If he is acquitted, the jury decided and everyone should accept it.
If you go to a peaceful protest, knowing this thing was racially stoked by Al Sharpton and the Mayor, then you are promoting racism yourself.
Rioting does more to hurt the outraged and innocent than the target of the anger.
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07-05-2013, 09:28 PM
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial Live Streaming
I say again, THC doesn't make you violent-- it does the opposite.
By his own words, the 17 year old actually ran away from the defendant at some point, near the beginning of this tragedy.
From listening to the phone call, it is my PERSONAL determination that the defendant is breathing heavy, running, to keep up with the deceased. At this point, he is not doing traditional neighborhood watch, he is chasing.
Even if I was paid security for that rental complex, I wouldn't be instructed to do that. You observe and report, unless it is happening right in front of you.
Also, keep in mind the deceased didn't live there, was only visiting his father.
Also, that area is not exactly "crime-ridden". Burglaries have happened there but that area is not "the bad part of town" either. Sanford does have its bad part of town and this rental complex is not in the bad part of town-- just so you know.
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07-05-2013, 09:32 PM
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial Live Streaming
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If he is acquitted, the jury decided and everyone should accept it.
If you go to a peaceful protest, knowing this thing was racially stoked by Al Sharpton and the Mayor, then you are promoting racism yourself.
Rioting does more to hurt the outraged and innocent than the target of the anger.
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Nope, you're wrong.
I have the right to peaceful protest and protesting in this situation wouldn't be racism in the least bit.
There isn't any one being denied anything systematically or institutionally because I decide to participate in peaceful protest of this three-ring circus of a trial.
If there is a conviction, I will be sated.
Read the clip, he did apply to be a cop and he did have at one time aspirations to be a cop.
In fact, Dan Newlin, popular lawyer here in central Florida, also started out as a Sheriffs Deputy.
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07-05-2013, 09:36 PM
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You forget that the widespread protests all across this country, before there was a trial, was not defined by their race. It was people of all races who saw the potential of a grave injustice deciding to protest.
It was spontaneous.
It was not organized on a national level.
On the other side of this case, there are A LOT of people who believe, even with the facts that have been presented so far, that the AGGRESSOR should not have legal protection to kill, under "self-defense" or SYG.
For me, and for countless others, this is the rub-- this is what stinks.
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07-05-2013, 09:37 PM
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial Live Streaming
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I say again, THC doesn't make you violent.
By his own words, the 17 year old actually ran away from the defendant at some point, near the beginning of this tragedy.
From listening to the phone call, it is my PERSONAL determination that the defendant is breathing heavy, running, to keep up with the deceased. At this point, he is not doing traditional neighborhood watch, he is chasing.
Even if I was paid security for that rental complex, I wouldn't be instructed to do that. You observe and report, unless it is happening right in front of you.
Also, keep in mind the deceased didn't live there, was only visiting his father.
Also, that area is not exactly "crime-ridden". Burglaries have happened there but that area is not "the bad part of town" either. Sanford does have its bad part of town and this rental complex is not in the bad part of town-- just so you know.
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Sanford burglary report:
Notice, Feb. 7, 2012, just three weeks before the shooting of TM, where a suspect, Emanuel Burgess, initially got away.
There were a number of burglaries in the neighborhood.
http://www.wagist.com/wp-content/upl...aryReports.pdf
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial Live Streaming
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You forget that the widespread protests all across this country, before there was a trial, was not defined by their race. It was people of all races who saw the potential of a grave injustice deciding to protest.
It was spontaneous.
It was not organized on a national level.
On the other side of this case, there are A LOT of people who believe, even with the facts that have been presented so far, that the AGGRESSOR should not have legal protection to kill, under "self-defense" or SYG.
For me, and for countless others, this is the rub-- this is what stinks.
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Sharpton, TM's dad, the Mayor and MSM took the stage on March 22, 2012. Don't tell me this wasn't organized on a national level.
There is a video posted on this thread where Sharpton is interviewing the Defense attorney, O'Mara. Sharpton is explaining why they took it national. Please! I love ya man, but you don't check your sources and don't dig very deep before you comment. Help our country, unite with the facts and truth.
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07-05-2013, 09:41 PM
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial Live Streaming
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No, she isn't credible either. She testifies that TM's ear buds dropped to the ground, but they were in his pocket when they found him dead.
Lots of crime in the area, break-ins in that neighborhood were nothing new, mainly young black men,
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Well thank you for at least coming right out and acknowledging the place that race does play in this case-- and probably did play in the mind of the defendant.
When this first broke, and I tried to bring this up on here before, I was shouted down by all on AFF that race had nothing to do with this.
Fact of the matter-- it does.
It's a sad reality. It's still wrong.
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07-05-2013, 09:43 PM
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial Live Streaming
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Nope, you're wrong.
I have the right to peaceful protest and protesting in this situation wouldn't be racism in the least bit.
There isn't any one being denied anything systematically or institutionally because I decide to participate in peaceful protest of this three-ring circus of a trial.
If there is a conviction, I will be sated.
Read the clip, he did apply to be a cop and he did have at one time aspirations to be a cop.
In fact, Dan Newlin, popular lawyer here in central Florida, also started out as a Sheriffs Deputy.
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Don't tell me this isn't about racism. They lighten GZ's skin, put TM's 12 year old photos on-line..on television, and distort the wording on the 911 calls to say "coon" - among other things.
Come on, Jermyn! Don't be part of the problem, be the solver!
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