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03-27-2011, 10:25 PM
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Re: Bishop Wright's Shame Seminar Rides Into TX
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Originally Posted by Pastor Keith
I like Chester Wright, I do agree that Shame is an issue, but the cure is a understanding of our identity in Christ.
The UPCI has historically struggled with the whole finished work of Calvary Concept and having an identity and lifestyle rooted in that work.
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The finished work of Calvary is minimized because of the emphasis on human "works".
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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03-27-2011, 10:28 PM
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Re: Bishop Wright's Shame Seminar Rides Into TX
I am surprised this preacher is getting much of a listen in old time Pentecost as he has the nerve to be behind a pulpit without a suit and tie.
Oh, and if any posters here are friends or family of his PLEASE help him with his wardrobe!!!! In the two videos I saw his shirts almost blinded me!! LOL
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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03-27-2011, 11:11 PM
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Re: Bishop Wright's Shame Seminar Rides Into TX
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Originally Posted by CC1
I am surprised this preacher is getting much of a listen in old time Pentecost as he has the nerve to be behind a pulpit without a suit and tie.
Oh, and if any posters here are friends or family of his PLEASE help him with his wardrobe!!!! In the two videos I saw his shirts almost blinded me!! LOL
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Nekkid elbows too. 
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03-28-2011, 11:20 AM
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Re: Bishop Wright's Shame Seminar Rides Into TX
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It's that "slippery slope". First elbows next knees. 
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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03-28-2011, 11:31 AM
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Re: Bishop Wright's Shame Seminar Rides Into TX
Excerpts from video 29:
This ministered to me, especially, because thinking back, when I was baptized my pastor asked me if I felt forgiven and I shook my head, no. I didn't realize it, at the time, but I was not dealing with guilt. I was dealing with shame. It was too hard to forgive myself.
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Guilt vs. shame
Shame is often confused with guilt. They are not the same thing. Guilt and shame are not synonymous.
Guilt is sin or offense deserving blame or punishment. Guilt rejects the act as wrong. If I have guilt and I have done something wrong, guilt tells me what I did was wrong. Shame rejects the one that committed the act.
So, guilt tells me what I did was wrong. Guilt is from God, it's called conviction. Shame is not from God. Guilt says what I did was wrong. Shame says, I'm wrong. Guilt results when I violate the Word of God. Shame results when I am accused of not being good enough to keep the Word of God. Guilt says, I have done wrong. Shame says that I am wrong. Guilt says my conduct is not good. Shames says, I am not good. Guilt says, I have failed. Shame says, I am a failure. You see the difference? It may seem like a small difference, but it's huge. Guilt, from God, focuses on the act. Shame focuses on me.
The blood of Jesus easily takes care of guilt. When you repent, and God forgives you, and you don't immediately begin to feel better, you are not dealing with sin. I'm going to say that again. When a person repents and they don't immediately start to feel better, they are not dealing with sin. They are dealing with shame. Because the Lord is the quickest forgiver. You can't hardly get the words out of your mouth before God says, "You are forgiven!" All He is doing is waiting, He wants to forgive. It is His desire to forgive. He hung on a cross to be able to forgive. All I have to do is give him the slightest opening to forgive, and He's forgiven. But, if I repent, and ask God to forgive me, but after I have repented and asked for forgiveness and I don't feel any different, I am not dealing with sin. I am not dealing with guilt. I am dealing with shame.
And you know something, a person can repent 10,000 times an hour and not get one bit better if they are dealing with shame and not guilt. Repentance takes care of guilt. Forgiveness takes care of guilt. It never takes care of shame until it is me, by the help and grace of God, forgiving me. God forgives me, but I've got to forgive me too.
Sin separates us from God in eternity. I've heard preachers preach, "You commit sin, it separates you from God." Not in this life! Not in this life! Maybe in eternity, but not in this life. Because no man can come to the father unless the Spirit is drawing you. If sin is separating you from God, His spirit is not there to draw you. So, you can't get back to God. There is no Biblical basis for teaching that, when you sin, God is separating Himself from you. When I sin, it is me separating myself from God, but God is still pursuing me, because He loves me!
Guilt separates us from God in eternity. Shame causes us to separate ourselves from God here in this life. Oh, if I could just get this point across. If, somehow, you could receive this, that any space you feel between you and God, He didn't put it there. If you can't feel the presence of God, that is not by God's choice!!
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Re: Bishop Wright's Shame Seminar Rides Into TX
Amen.
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