The end is at hand!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by notofworks

Yeah, I just googled it and wow. I've been out of the theology/eschatology debate loop for 15 years and I had never heard of it. I've seen the term "Preterism" here a good bit but never really researched it.

I'm just not into the "endtime" debate. No one has the answers and it's a bunch of debate about something that can't be figured out.

I totally disagree. Something else we disagree on I guess.

God does not give prophecies for us to not be able to understand them. People DO have the answers, but so much tradition and personal agenda in making money by prophecy ministries disallows others from being honest enough to allow God to reveal it to them.

In bible school, I'd sit back and laugh at all the red-in-the-face prophecy guys yelling at each other and I've never been more interested than I was then. My only duty is to follow Jesus Christ and lead as many people as possible to his grace. Outside of that, God can do whatever He likes with the endtimes. I'll be ready either way.

While we need to be ready either way, a huge percentage of the Bible is prophecy, and I do not think God wasted our time with writing things we can never know. If it's in the Bible, he wants us to know it. If we do not know it, He wants us to prayerfully study it to know it. Simple as that.

[jfrog]

I have a feeling that notofworks is going to have preterist leanings very soon LOL.

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Originally Posted by notofworks

First, I'll just admit that I am NOT an Eschatology student. I have strong feelings about Daniel and Revelation. And my strong feelings are, that all those who try to figure it all out are wasting their time. The book of Revelation is a GREAT book and is a GREAT blessing. Many read the book looking for mysteries and miss "The blessing".

I think that is a common mistake. God wants us to know the mysteries!

Ephesians 3:3 KJV How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

1 Corinthians 2:12-13 ESV (12) Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. (13) And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.

It is error to say we are to seek a BLESSING but never UNDERSTAND the Revelation. When Revelation noted a BLESSING it meant that people who CAN UNDERSTAND IT ARE BLESSED.

Revelation 1:3 KJV Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Revelation 1:3 CEV God will bless everyone who reads this prophecy to others, and he will bless everyone who hears and obeys it. The time is almost here.

How can we obey it if we do not understand it? Blessings comes to those who obey it after understanding it. It is not saying that we are blessed because we hear words read to us and never understand them, as though a magic incantation is heard and a hocus pocus series of incomprehensible abra-ca-dabra words bless us with a magical blessing. It means we receive it and understand it and abide by it. THEREIN is the blessing.

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Originally Posted by jfrog

I have a feeling that notofworks is going to have preterist leanings very soon LOL.

Maybe if he knows the viewpoint is BANNED in many apostolic churches, he might!

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Maybe if he knows the viewpoint is BANNED in many apostolic churches, he might!

lol. I was just thinking that most people that really don't like the whole futurist slant tend to lean towards preterism. He seems pretty uninterested in the futurist slant because of the mystery involved in it. Preterism at least offers answers that can be studied and accepted or rejected. It seems a little more fitting

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by notofworks

But AD time goes to the beginning of Jesus' birth, not his death. So evidently, the timing in this "Preterism" system, to measure the traditional understanding of "generation" begins at his death, not his birth?

Interesting.

I believe Jesus spoke of the generation that was alive when he walked and
talked among the people. For three and one half years, he ministred to the
people and taught his CHOSEN disciples. He warned them. He reminded some
that it was their fathers that had killed all the prophets sent to them. That
they would FILL up the cup that would bring the wrath to come. And come
it did. In AD70. Growing up I never knew the history of what happened to
Jerusalem in AD70. But in time God allowed me to come in contact with some
people that taught about Jerusalem, not only in AD70 but throughtout history.

God put HIS LIGHT in Jerusalem at the beginning.( Gotta start somewhere).
but after Jesus taught his disciples before his ascension and opened their
understanding..why?, that they might understand the scriptures, he told them
to go to Jerusalem and wait for the Promise of the Father (Holy Ghost). That
they would receive POWER AFTER that the HOLY GHOST had come upon them.
They believed and acted accordingly.

Long story short, it began in Jerusalem and has gone around the world. It
continues today for Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

The end of the age of animal sacrifices and law keeping is past! The law and
the prophets were until John, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. The
Holy Ghost is the KINGDOM of GOD. GOD IS A SPIRIT. They that worship HIM
MUST worship HIM IN SPIRIT and IN TRUTH. WHY! For the Father seeketh such
to worship HIM. (Many people cannot believe in HIM who they cannot see. Jesus
talked to Thomas about that. But blessed are they that have NOT seen YET have
believed. Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the WORD of GOD! How can they
hear without a preacher and how can he preach except he be sent.

The Kingdom of God is IN those who have HEARD the WORD, believed it, by faith,
and received it by obeying what Jesus taught his disciples. He said that repentance
and remission of sins SHOULD be preached in his name, among ALL nations, begin-
ing at Jerusalem. Simply BEGINNING at JERUSALEM!! How did it get to you. How did
you hear it!

Blessings,

Falla39

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Originally Posted by jfrog

lol. I was just thinking that most people that really don't like the whole futurist slant tend to lean towards preterism. He seems pretty uninterested in the futurist slant because of the mystery involved in it. Preterism at least offers answers that can be studied and accepted or rejected. It seems a little more fitting

Right. lol

I do know n.o.w. is a bit of an intentional rebel, too. If something is against the norm among Pentecost, n.o.w. likes to associate with it for that reason.

[Falla39]

I posted this in another post earlier, but felt to post this part here:

There was a time in the early 1930's that "JESUS" passed by the little town my late
paternal grandparents lived. He came in an old white-haired preacher, preaching on
the street corner of their tiny town. I am so glad my grandmother heard, got stirred
up enough to search the Word one more time. To see if it be true or not. For five gene-
rations of our family, this message has been preached and obeyed. The Word of the
LORD will endure FOREVER! For the most part, the approximate 1500 people that
came from miles around to hear this humble man, never knew their day of visitation.
The days that Jesus was passing by. They didn't recognize Him in that body of clay
that the messge was stored in! But if they had only listened to the words he spoke.
Jesus told His disciples that the words He spoke, "they are spirit and they are life".
Jesus Christ the same, yesterday and today and forever!

Those in Jesus' day didn't know who He was. They thought he was "is this
not Joseph, the carpenter's son. Is this not Mary's son! If they had known
who He was, they would not have killed the King of Glory!

There was a reason JESUS PASSED by. I am so thankful HE passed our way.
We were so needy!

Falla39

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Regarding THIS GENERATION.

Matthew 24:34 GNB Remember that all these things will happen before the people now living have all died.

Matthew 24:34 KJV Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Someone said if you take the number of generations mentioned in Matt 1, and divide the number of years mentioned with that, you will see that 40 years is approximately ONE GENERATION in the Bible.

Forty years after the cross came to AD70 and that is when Jerusalem was wiped out. One generation after the cross. Not one generation since Christ's birth.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

LOL! I gave up after we switched the Anti-Christ around to someone else and the mark from computer to the bar codes in the grocery store. LOL! I said "Okay, that's enough!" LOL!

And, incidentally, when I looked in the Bible for the Anti-Christ, there is no one called that. Beast or Son of Perdition, but anti-christ is not a person, but an ideology. So, that was another misconception.

I never buy or read any books on the endtimes - never - ever. LOL!

Wait...........you mean Obama isn't THE Anti-Christ? What about Rick Warren? There's a guy that posts here that believes Rick is the leader of the One-world church that's being formed.

In bible school, our eschatology teacher said that he lost all his best sermons when he started understanding Revelation!