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Old 03-29-2010, 12:24 PM
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Re: What Is The One Step Of One Step Doctrine?

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No, it's a good thing. I never intimated that it wasn't. Only that a person cannot save themselves.....even through good deeds and simply a repentance FROM.



I did answer the question. It is not a simple Yes or NO question. I didn't hesitate at all. The most important question is why didn't the person get baptized. If they reject it, that is a BAD thing. They're not surrendered and apparently don't want to follow God's word.
If they don't reject it and don't know about it, that is completely different. Or if a hypothetical is used, (they repent but die before baptism) of course they go to heaven. I believe there will be people in heaven who have not been baptized in Jesus' name.

I'll also respectfully ask you a Yes or No question:

If a person doesn't get baptized in Jesus' name are they going to hell, no questions, no exceptions?

Yes according to the word of God!!!
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Old 03-29-2010, 12:26 PM
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They do? How?
Salvation is not a isolate. It is about the whole. One comes INTO covenant without precondition of works or some refer to as stored righteousness. God accepts a person upon the proper response to his message without preconditions. Eternal life is awarded to us "if" we do what he commands and are faithful and obedient. Jesus CHrist is the source of salvation to those who obey.

Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him, ESV

Salvation is not totaly realized until the end as the bride must be faithful. It is a judgment by deeds!


Mat 22:1 And again Jesus spoke to them in parables, saying,
Mat 22:2 "The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who gave a wedding feast for his son,
Mat 22:3 and sent his servants to call those who were invited to the wedding feast, but they would not come.
Mat 22:4 Again he sent other servants, saying, 'Tell those who are invited, See, I have prepared my dinner, my oxen and my fat calves have been slaughtered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding feast.'
Mat 22:5 But they paid no attention and went off, one to his farm, another to his business,
Mat 22:6 while the rest seized his servants, treated them shamefully, and killed them.
Mat 22:7 The king was angry, and he sent his troops and destroyed those murderers and burned their city.
Mat 22:8 Then he said to his servants, 'The wedding feast is ready, but those invited were not worthy.
Mat 22:9 Go therefore to the main roads and invite to the wedding feast as many as you find.'
Mat 22:10 And those servants went out into the roads and gathered all whom they found, both bad and good. So the wedding hall was filled with guests.
Mat 22:11 "But when the king came in to look at the guests, he saw there a man who had no wedding garment.
Mat 22:12 And he said to him, 'Friend, how did you get in here without a wedding garment?' And he was speechless.
Mat 22:13 Then the king said to the attendants, 'Bind him hand and foot and cast him into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen."

Rev 19:7 Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his Bride has made herself ready;
Rev 19:8 it was granted her to clothe herself with fine linen, bright and pure"-- for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints.


Mat 10:38 And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
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Old 03-29-2010, 12:33 PM
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The Christian's good deeds flow FROM salvation not TOWARDS it.
Never said it did. Technically I believe it flows both ways. You just made a monergistic point of which I don't agree. Paul says we also "save ourselves...

1Ti 4:16 Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers.

Though we don't "add" to it. It takes our response(deeds) to make salvation a reality and secure our standing before God.

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They NEVER bring us closer to salvation or produce salvation in any way. IMPOSSIBLE to do so.
I would agree.
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They can, however, be an indicator if we have surrendered our lives to Him or not.
I would agree. See we have a obligation "to do" and then we are judged unto to INHERIT eternal life. You MAYBE in covenant and have received a saving aspect in your life but you have not obtained yet "fully" that which you seek. You will be judged in the end worthy or not to receive. Either you fulfilled the contract or not to follow him as you should.

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Old 03-29-2010, 12:38 PM
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Never said it did.



I would agree.


I would agree. See we have a obligation "to do" and then we are judged unto to INHERIT eternal life. You MAYBE in covenant and have received a saving aspect in your life but you have not obtained yet "fully" that which you seek. You will be judged in the end worthy or not to receive. Either you fulfilled the contract or not to follow him as you should.
Will you be worthy?
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Will you be worthy?
we will see... that is the point of "judgment"
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we will see... that is the point of "judgment"
You scared?
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You scared?


Php 2:12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling,
Php 2:13 for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.
Php 2:14 Do all things without grumbling or questioning,
Php 2:15 that you may be blameless and innocent, children of God without blemish in the midst of a crooked and twisted generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world,
Php 2:16 holding fast to the word of life, so that in the day of Christ I may be proud that I did not run in vain or labor in vain.
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Php 2:12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling,
Php 2:13 for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.
Php 2:14 Do all things without grumbling or questioning,
Php 2:15 that you may be blameless and innocent, children of God without blemish in the midst of a crooked and twisted generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world,
Php 2:16 holding fast to the word of life, so that in the day of Christ I may be proud that I did not run in vain or labor in vain.
So that's a Yes?
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So that's a Yes?
you should always be fearful and humble when in judgment.
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Re: What Is The One Step Of One Step Doctrine?

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The Christian's good deeds flow FROM salvation not TOWARDS it. They NEVER bring us closer to salvation or produce salvation in any way. IMPOSSIBLE to do so. They can, however, be an indicator if we have surrendered our lives to Him or not.
Brief and well-said, in my opinion,
and aligns with what James (not me --another guy named James) said in James 2:14-26.
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