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View Poll Results: Would you ever shoplit?
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I would starve myself and my children before I would shoplift.
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I would starve myself before I would shoplift, but not starve my children.
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I would shoplift as a very last resort to feed my children only.
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I would shoplift as a very last resort to feed myself.
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I would shoplift if we had only beans to eat.
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I would shoplift for shampoo if I needed it.
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What's your is mine and I am welcome to it.
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12-23-2009, 10:10 PM
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Re: Would You Shoplift to Feed Your Children?
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Still got one of those cool hats (my dad's). The irony is - I was sort of embarrassed back then, now I toy with the idea of taking a "sabbatical" for a month or two to return to my roots.
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I get that. Would they accept you back?
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12-23-2009, 10:18 PM
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Re: Would You Shoplift to Feed Your Children?
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I get that. Would they accept you back?
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Well yes, the Old Order Mennonites don't "shun" like the Amish, nor had I officially joined the church yet when I "left".
Not sure how they would accept the notion of a short termed stay though.
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12-23-2009, 10:44 PM
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Re: Would You Shoplift to Feed Your Children?
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I am talking about areas where people are starving generally.
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I see...well, they must have some shred of morality left--what stops them from cannibalism? Apparently in Bible days, that's what they resorted to.
I'm not saying I would NEVER--because I haven't actually been to point zero, where we not only had no food, but no resources, no help, no outlets of any type. I don't believe God would allow us to get to that place, but I suppose unless I've actually been there, I can't say for sure that I wouldn't sin in the midst of crisis.
I don't believe it's okay, though, even in the midst of crisis. What stops you from asking for help? If your neighbor has food, ask them to share--why just take it? If a shop has food, ask for charity--why just take it?
As Hoovie pointed out, there are ways to live off the land, too. It may offend our sensibilities, but it's survival nonetheless. In Bible days, it seems that God made provision for His people in times of hardship, except when He was angry with them for some reason. I have no reason to believe He will treat my family any differently.
Do we read about NT Christians rising up and murdering Romans because they were persecuting them? Even killing their children before their eyes? How would American Christians handle such a situation? Would we be biblically excused to raise up arms against the government if they started putting Christians to death? We have a clear example (although an extreme one) that in life threatening situations one can and should still remain Christlike.
It's also important to note that in OT times, people were required to make provision for the needy, leaving behind portions of their harvest to be picked up, among other things.
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12-23-2009, 10:58 PM
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Re: Would You Shoplift to Feed Your Children?
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I would love to dumpster-dive. I just can't bring myself to do it (yet!).  |
I dumpster dove in college...found a lot of cool stuff. Found 8 old gas nozzles (the ones at the service station). They were pure aluminum and got me a lot at the recycle truck the next day 
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12-23-2009, 11:20 PM
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Re: Would You Shoplift to Feed Your Children?
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We could team up!! You're so tiny, you could fit in my purse!!
"NO! not that ham!!! Grab the other one. Yeah, that one! Okay, let's split!"
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12-24-2009, 09:54 AM
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Re: Would You Shoplift to Feed Your Children?
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That is less and less of an option as the dumpsters are changing to compactors that preclude people from getting inside them at all.
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This is true, and it ticks me off they would do that to good garbage before anyone has had a chance to look through it!!! 
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12-24-2009, 09:57 AM
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Re: Would You Shoplift to Feed Your Children?
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Since I understand there is no "right" to free food. I would exhaust every means. The food would not have to come from other people even.
Did you know humans can live on things that grow in the woods? In five to ten days you can grow greens to eat and sustain you til you can kill a few rats to cook for meat...
Just saying, If you take stealing out of the equation, one could think of endless possibilities.
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This is assuming your have woods to plant in....
I agree there are endless possibilites and some would be more creative than others. But, starving is not an option for me.
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12-24-2009, 09:57 AM
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Re: Would You Shoplift to Feed Your Children?
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This is true, and it ticks me off they would do that to good garbage before anyone has had a chance to look through it!!! |
It is also a liability issue. People crawl around in a dumpster and get hurt then sue the business. Plus with the compactors they can have garbage chutes so they don't have to go outside and fight a dumpster lid or heaving garbage over the top.
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12-24-2009, 10:03 AM
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Re: Would You Shoplift to Feed Your Children?
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Perhaps sometime. It brings alot of mixed feelings and memories. Sort of the best of times and the worst of times for me.
God has been sooo good to me - truly in all things I have been blessed more than my share.
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It would be inspirational. It's had to have been quite an interesting journey. Merry Christmas!! 
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12-24-2009, 10:06 AM
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Re: Would You Shoplift to Feed Your Children?
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I'm not saying I would NEVER--because I haven't actually been to point zero, where we not only had no food, but no resources, no help, no outlets of any type. I don't believe God would allow us to get to that place, but I suppose unless I've actually been there, I can't say for sure that I wouldn't sin in the midst of crisis.
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I don't think it would be a sin in that case.
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I don't believe it's okay, though, even in the midst of crisis. What stops you from asking for help? If your neighbor has food, ask them to share--why just take it? If a shop has food, ask for charity--why just take it?
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If there is charity, certainly, you ask and don't steal. Assume there is no charity to be had. If you ask first, you flag yourself to be watched.
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As Hoovie pointed out, there are ways to live off the land, too. It may offend our sensibilities, but it's survival nonetheless. In Bible days, it seems that God made provision for His people in times of hardship, except when He was angry with them for some reason. I have no reason to believe He will treat my family any differently.
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I also believe we will be treated no differently than those in the Bible, including those who ate their own children. And, yes, I believe eating your own children would be a grievous sin. I would like to believe I had the intestinal fortitude to NOT eat my own children, no matter the case.
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Do we read about NT Christians rising up and murdering Romans because they were persecuting them? Even killing their children before their eyes? How would American Christians handle such a situation? Would we be biblically excused to raise up arms against the government if they started putting Christians to death? We have a clear example (although an extreme one) that in life threatening situations one can and should still remain Christlike.
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I don't think it's a sin to steal to feed your children if you've exhausted all other avenues. As long as you are not taking food out of someone else's mouth, you could view it as borrowing and pay it back later.
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It's also important to note that in OT times, people were required to make provision for the needy, leaving behind portions of their harvest to be picked up, among other things.
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And some of them starved anyway...
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