*SHOCK* Rick Warren 2 give Invocation@Inaugeration

[StMark]

Originally Posted by 2020Vision

Nothing wrong with being a hardcore liberal, with exception of some of its thought processes. The history of abortion is more telling of groups like Planned Parenthood's beginnings of how they sought out to kill poor people, minorities and mentaly disabled for the sake of eugenics. So because the rate you claim is lower under Clinton, you somehow put that all together to prove your point that laws against abortion help the abortion rate? Wow. Pretty absurd. Original though, if that's what you were going for. Actually scratch that, nothing original here. Recycled.

Your last quote: are you really serious? Did you know that shame isn't a bad thing?? Hard to believe in our world, huh? Shame is a good thing if it pushes us in the right direction and doesn't condemn us. Shame itself is a great thing. Just like when your hand hurts after touching a hot stove.

Great to have Michael Moore on the show though. Have a good day.

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[OldTimey]

Originally Posted by 2020Vision

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Great to have Michael Moore on the show though. Have a good day.

Hey, I thought there wasn't any name calling on here. LOL

[2020Vision]

Originally Posted by OldTimey

Well, then, may your life be filled with it.

God forbid! Doesn't mean if I do experience it, it is not from God though. Let's not freak out on shame, and feel like we should never have our fragile feelings hurt. Sometimes they need to be hurt. I think we are taking on a 21st century worldview of who man is sometimes.

[2020Vision]

Originally Posted by OldTimey

Hey, I thought there wasn't any name calling on here. LOL

Hey, that may be a compliment to you! Just having fun. Thanks for being a sport.

[OldTimey]

Originally Posted by 2020Vision

God forbid! Doesn't mean if I do experience it, it is not from God though. Let's not freak out on shame, and feel like we should never have our fragile feelings hurt. Sometimes they need to be hurt. I think we are taking on a 21st century worldview of who man is sometimes.

My original point comes from my experience in Church circles where abortion was a way of hiding from the shame that would be forced upon them if they were to show up pregnant.

I am sure Jesus would go out of his way to hurt the feelings of that girl that's been impregnated as a result of her own irresponsible actions outside of wedlock[TIC].

[OldTimey]

Originally Posted by 2020Vision

Hey, that may be a compliment to you! Just having fun. Thanks for being a sport.

You too! Healthy dialogue is a good thing!

[2020Vision]

Originally Posted by OldTimey

My original point comes from my experience in Church circles where abortion was a way of hiding from the shame that would be forced upon them if they were to show up pregnant.

I am sure Jesus would go out of his way to hurt the feelings of that girl that's been impregnated as a result of her own irresponsible actions outside of wedlock[TIC].

Well, this girl took shame to do something even more reprehensible. Shame should cause our head to fall that we disappointed our Maker. I didn't say Christ "went out of his way" to hurt anyone's feelings. Shame is a great human emotion. Just like anger, but gets chalked up as a negative thing when it's a natural emotion within the right confines.

BTW... rarely do women just "get impregnated". Nice sanitary way to avoid saying "fornicating", "having sex". He is a loving God. Shame will tell her to repent and be a great mother. Condemnation pushes her further away from God and likely to make a far worse decision - murdering her child.

[SOUNWORTHY]

Is there a difference between aborting a child and dumping it in a dumpster after it's born? Is there a difference between a Dr. aborting a child than someone murdering an expectant mother and the unborn child dying? Just wondering.

[2020Vision]

Originally Posted by SOUNWORTHY

Is there a difference between aborting a child and dumping it in a dumpster after it's born? Is there a difference between a Dr. aborting a child than someone murdering an expectant mother and the unborn child dying? Just wondering.

Sure there are differences. Moral differences is what you mean? You betcha. What does MM think?

[OldTimey]

I can't make out any moral differences.
The only exception I would make is that the pregnancy was placing the mother's life and/or the child's life in danger and that's why the abortion was being performed.