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Scott Hutchinson · #61 02-26-2008, 09:15 PM

To the best of my knowledge The UPCI has never allowed double carding so this wouldn't surprise me.
I understand The ALJC doesn't allow double carding either but alot of ALJC folks belong to the IAF as well.

jrLA · #62 02-26-2008, 09:28 PM

IF this is true.....then I can't say that I am NOT surprised! I have said all along, I don't see how it could be any other way! Choose you this day.....UPC or WPF!

jrLA · #63 02-26-2008, 09:29 PM

And for all of you doomsday-ers! The UPC will be just fine! We will make it and be better for it!

Sam · #64 02-26-2008, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

To the best of my knowledge The UPCI has never allowed double carding so this wouldn't surprise me.
I understand The ALJC doesn't allow double carding either but alot of ALJC folks belong to the IAF as well.

I wonder how much enforcement of the two cards happens.
It's probably up to the district.

Years ago (in the nineteen sixties and seventies) we used to visit a church in Dayton, OH. I've preached there. My ALJC pastor has preached there. We held ALJC youth rallies there. The pastor was ALJC and also was editor of the magazine for the AMA (Apostolic Ministerial Alliance that was founded by Bro. L.R. Ooton in the nineteen forties). I've been there for an AMA conference. So I guess he held papers with both organizations.

TrmptPraise · #65 02-26-2008, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

I wonder how much enforcement of the two cards happens.
It's probably up to the district.

Years ago (in the nineteen sixties and seventies) we used to visit a church in Dayton, OH. I've preached there. My ALJC pastor has preached there. We held ALJC youth rallies there. The pastor was ALJC and also was editor of the magazine for the AMA (Apostolic Ministerial Alliance that was founded by Bro. L.R. Ooton in the nineteen forties). I've been there for an AMA conference. So I guess he held papers with both organizations.

Bro. Ellis,

Enlighten me on the AMA for it was before my time. Did they offer youth camps and conventions in place of ALJC events? Did they offer mission programs as a alternative to ALJC events?

Herein lies the difference IMO between ministerial associations and organizations. The WPF is certainly offering alternatives to UPCI events (Bible Quizzing is another example) I think when you have boards, structure, dues, etc... I find it hard to compare the ministerial association to organizational structure of the WPF. Is there any association that any man has joined in the past that is parallel to where we are now with the WPF? On top of that, the WPF has also required that their Executive Chairman not be a member of any other organization. I don't hear anyone saying that is a colossal mistake. If the chairman only holds the position for 2 yrs as required it means as a new one is installed, he must give up his license to any other organization as well.

Please understand that is not an argumentative response. I am sincerely looking forward to response.

Sam · #66 02-26-2008, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TrmptPraise

Bro. Ellis,

Enlighten me on the AMA for it was before my time. Did they offer youth camps and conventions in place of ALJC events? Did they offer mission programs as a alternative to ALJC events?

Herein lies the difference IMO between ministerial associations and organizations. The WPF is certainly offering alternatives to UPCI events (Bible Quizzing is another example) I think when you have boards, structure, dues, etc... I find it hard to compare the ministerial association to organizational structure of the WPF. Is there any association that any man has joined in the past that is parallel to where we are now with the WPF? On top of that, the WPF has also required that their Executive Chairman not be a member of any other organization. I don't hear anyone saying that is a colossal mistake. If the chairman only holds the position for 2 yrs as required it means as a new one is installed, he must give up his license to any other organization as well.

Please understand that is not an argumentative response. I am sincerely looking forward to response.

I don't know much about the AMA. According to the Fudge book (Christianity without the Cross) Bro. L.R. Ooton formed the AMA in 1941 with nearly 1000 ministers leaving the PAJC. I don't know how accurate that is. The numbers seem pretty high. The only time I saw Bro. Ooton was one time in Dayton some time in the nineteen seventies. He was an old man. There were only a handful of ministers there for the conference and they were mostly older men. Their magazine only listed about half a dozen churches. I don't know if the organization is still active or not.

tv1a · #67 02-26-2008, 10:01 PM

Why the need for separate bible quizzing? Separate youth functions? WPF reasons for existence is unscriptural. WPF is looking for a certain breed of apostolic. If they hang around long enough they eventually will get the blond hair blue eye apostolic they search for. The WPF is founded in direct opposition to Paul's command in Romans 14 to stop majoring in minors. Television is minor.

Sam · #68 02-26-2008, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by tv1a

Why the need for separate bible quizzing? Separate youth functions? WPF reasons for existence is unscriptural. WPF is looking for a certain breed of apostolic. If they hang around long enough they eventually will get the blond hair blue eye apostolic they search for. The WPF is founded in direct opposition to Paul's command in Romans 14 to stop majoring in minors. Television is minor.

I agree, but television is not minor to lots of folks.
They feel this is where they have to take their stand.

TrmptPraise · #69 02-26-2008, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

I don't know much about the AMA. According to the Fudge book (Christianity without the Cross) Bro. L.R. Ooton formed the AMA in 1941 with nearly 1000 ministers leaving the PAJC. I don't know how accurate that is. The numbers seem pretty high. The only time I saw Bro. Ooton was one time in Dayton some time in the nineteen seventies. He was an old man. There were only a handful of ministers there for the conference and they were mostly older men. Their magazine only listed about half a dozen churches. I don't know if the organization is still active or not.

Thanks, Bro. Ellis. I appreciate your response. I have heard many argue that there is no difference between the WPF and other ministerial associations and that was the premise behind my post.

SDG · #70 02-26-2008, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Amos

I guess you can be UPC and NCO though.

Go figure.

You can join a group that has heretics of vasrious flavors under its "Big Tent" philosophy, but you can't join a group that believes what the UPC used to.

I get it.

Go figure, Amos being intellectually dishonest with the viewing public. WWPF is no NCO.

Big difference $$$$$$$.

WWPF has divisions and will be collecting dues and offerings for it's various cloned UPCI divisions.

I know this was the big argument on the con forums but let's be honest fellas.