Concerning Tulsa, could sombody please answer this - Page 7

AGAPE · #61 02-01-2008, 08:49 PM

I predict that the WPF will cause a lot of good...maybe, just maybe the UPC conference speakers will speak more about the ESSENTIALS of the Oneness of God; The New Birth (Acts 2:38); Living an Overcoming Life; Holiness within and without...IF so maybe they will pull the UPC to the right....it would be good...

BUT if they refuse to name things they will continue to drift...........

NLYP · #62 02-01-2008, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Neckstadt

All new organization are soft at first. Once they reach the level of membership to finance their organization they will become show more authority.

Right now they just want the UPCI ministers to here the sales pitch.

They fully believe everyone wants to go back to 1945.

Before the TV etc....

DING DING DING...We have a winner!!!!!!!!!

NLYP · #63 02-01-2008, 09:03 PM

All this and nobody still has answered the original question.

rgcraig · #64 02-01-2008, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by NLYP

All this and nobody still has answered the original question.

What WAS the question?

TalkLady · #65 02-01-2008, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by NLYP

I still wish someone would explain something to me.....
"We are not requiring anybody to leave the UPC to be a part of the WWPF"

oooook.

So....I am UPC....and I agree that if hold license that I will faithfully support the UPC with prayer and finances.

So.....If I am upc AND wwpf.....where does my financial alliegence lie?

They say they are not an org...YET..they have woman ministry, foreign ministry, home missions, youth ministry...etc....

They WILL want their members to support their works.

So whats a "Dual" membership man to do???

I say this...ITS a ploy to get them in the door.

I just have serious problems with the "dual" thing.....

Get in or Get out....

I do know the general Board is getting ready to meet and address this....
We shall see.......
Dont get me wrong....I want this Apostolic message to reach the world...BUT...there is an old saying...."fish or cut bait".

God bless the WWPF...but not at the expense of devisiveness towards the fellowship I am a part of and love.

I say that with no malicious intent...

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Originally Posted by NLYP

All this and nobody still has answered the original question.

Was the bolded above considered the original question..If so -

Maybe he should get a prescription for lithium if he becomes bipolar. JUST KIDDING. JUST KIDDING.

TrmptPraise · #66 02-01-2008, 09:33 PM

OK, Dan.

Dual Membership Man (Sounds like a super hero, "Hi I'm Dual Membership Man, here to empty my wallet at the intersection of disunity, straddling fences in one easy step, traveling from St.Louis to Tulsa at the speed of sound *audio only*")

Seriously, there shouldn't be one. You can only serve one master

pelathais · #67 02-01-2008, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by NLYP

All this and nobody still has answered the original question.

The WwPF seems to have been founded around a certain ambiguity. You're not supposed to ask questions. Just appreciate the fact that there was no UPC "bashing" and a "great spirit" was in Tulsa.

So far very few questions have been answered.

Someone mentioned that the General Board was getting ready to meet about this. I just spoke to one of my contacts on the GB yesterday and he didn't say anything about it. But then again I didn't bring it up either. I think some of the Tulsa men are waiting to be "martyred." It's like those Buddhist monks in SE Asia demonstrated: the best way to get a lot of attention is to set yourself on fire.

bishoph · #68 02-01-2008, 10:36 PM

At the risk of being called the WPF defender (I've been called much worse I'll assure you) Let me take a stab at answering the question and hopefully provide some clarification.

Because the WPF has been billed as a fellowship not an organization, (which many here dispute) as such it differs nothing from the AWCF or the NCO, except that it is more structured and their (WPF) fees are substantial. (AWCF has very minimal dues while the NCO at this time has none as far as I can tell) However, for the man who has built a relationship with the UPCI that he wants to retain, and/or if he is in a situation where the church he pastors wishes to continue fellowship within the UPCI structure, this should not prevent him from being a part of both and deriving the benefits of both if he so chooses. This is no different IMO than a pastor paying for membership in some other "professional" association that would be related to his call of ministry. For many smaller church pastors, it may not be financially feasible to do both, in which case unfortunately a person may have to choose. (This is a concern that I have voiced to the WPF leadership and it will be addressed.)

I highly regard the UPCI and have/will never bash(ed) it or its leaders. I do feel however, that some have misunderstood the WPF because of the apparent similarities such as youth, ladies, missions, Bible quizzing, etc. Remember that the WPF is not just for UPCI members present and past, but rather for any and all Apostolics who may share a "conservative" viewpoint. This means men who may be independent and may need the different departments to better serve their members. Also it should be understood that while there may be seemingly mirror auxiliaries, they are not even remotely the same as outlined in Tulsa.

As an example with the World Missions committee, the WPF is not going to commission and deputize missionaries. They are going to identify nationals who are already evangelizing their countries and help them facilitate that evangelism. They will also identify missionaries who are doing the work of God and help to raise their support without the need for deputation, and without subtracting any administrative fees from their support, thus allowing them to put their efforts in fulfilling their call instead of raising money. They have stated very clearly that if a WPF pastor wishes to support a UPCI/other Apostolic organization missionary that all funds designated for that missionary will be sent to the respective organization.

Again I think it is hypocritical to find fault with the WPF based on these issues, if you would defend someone being UPCI and AWCF. The AWCF has a missions department (I have been on missions trips with them) they now have a youth arm that LS has been developing (and doing a great job) etc.

Respectfully Submitted.

scotty · #69 02-02-2008, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by AGAPE

I predict that the WPF will cause a lot of good...maybe, just maybe the UPC conference speakers will speak more about the ESSENTIALS of the Oneness of God; The New Birth (Acts 2:38); Living an Overcoming Life; Holiness within and without...IF so maybe they will pull the UPC to the right....it would be good...

BUT if they refuse to name things they will continue to drift...........

Have you seen BOTT?? Specificly Bro. Mangun from Jan 9th. If not, then you got your wish but haven't read it yet.

I still don't know why they split, I know what they say, but what they say is empty. One day we will know the truth.

scotty · #70 02-02-2008, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by scotty

It makes no sense to me. Like I said if you look at the wording behind Global Impact and the messege in BOTT then UPC is saying the same thing as WWPF, get back to basics.

so whats the difference?

There is none, this split is about something else.

What?

thats the million dollar question.

Bump