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Rev · #61 01-30-2008, 11:56 PM

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Sadly Rev, you describe a condition of such weakness that I would question whether or not the power of God exists there at all, not to mention just plain common sense.

I've always hoped that my faith in God might give me some sense of a higher purpose and meaning in life. You know, something that would stir my heart when the weariness, pain and toils of life really bear down upon my soul.

Instead, you appear to offer a faith filled with a bunch of nagging old nannies who want to "inspect" everyone's home and life. Makes it kind of hard for me to envision the human condition as anything more than a bunch of snarling beasts.

Paul must have been seeing the very things that you write about. That's the reason he put them in the book.

pelathais · #62 01-31-2008, 12:11 AM

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Paul must have been seeing the very things that you write about. That's the reason he put them in the book.

I'm afraid I can't find the passage where Paul said anything about:

Playing bridge, spades or hearts leading a weaker brother into the snare of a "poker game."

Keeping or not keeping alcohol around the house. And it is an historical fact that fresh fruit was never successfully preserved until the 1790's. So some how the good Christians in Paul's time had to figure out some way to control their rampaging lust for drunkeness every single time they had a communion service.

And nothing in Paul's writings that tell me any reason why a television is inherently "evil" and a computer with an Internet connection is "better." In fact, very little guidance on electronics at all.

Rev · #63 01-31-2008, 12:15 AM

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I'm afraid I can't find the passage where Paul said anything about:

Playing bridge, spades or hearts leading a weaker brother into the snare of a "poker game."

Keeping or not keeping alcohol around the house. And it is an historical fact that fresh fruit was never successfully preserved until the 1790's. So some how the good Christians in Paul's time had to figure out some way to control their rampaging lust for drunkeness every single time they had a communion service.

And nothing in Paul's writings that tell me any reason why a television is inherently "evil" and a computer with an Internet connection is "better." In fact, very little guidance on electronics at all.

Some how you always manage to miss the point! Don't you! But yours is the only one that is important. Right?

pelathais · #64 01-31-2008, 12:20 AM

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Some how you always manage to miss the point! Don't you! But yours is the only one that is important. Right?

I guess I need your help here. What was your point?

TrmptPraise · #65 01-31-2008, 12:24 AM

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Paul must have been seeing the very things that you write about. That's the reason he put them in the book.

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(I Co 8:9) But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
(I Co 8:10) For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol’s temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
(I Co 8:11) And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?
(I Co 8:12) But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.

1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

Paul also let us know that we always have a way to escape temptation. Paul never wrote to my knowledge, that God's power is so weak in the saint, that they are useless in the fight against temptation. I am sorry to say that is the message you are conveying in this thread. That somehow if everyone had a television in their home, no matter their spiritual level, all would fail. All would use it unwisely. All would watch the ungodly. When are we going to realize that the message is not about the weakness of the human condition (however we may perceive it), but rather the message is about the Power of the Holy Ghost.

Also the scripture's you use for this pertains to the stumbling blocks of another. As we are not to be a facilitator to one's failure. I am not sure how that pertains to one's personal strength in the Lord or one's inability to make sound decisions on his own behalf through Christ's direction and leading.

Praxeas · #66 01-31-2008, 12:28 AM

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That's something that you can do that. But TV is just like many other things. For most people if the TV is there they will watch any and everything. They will also spend so much time watching the thing they will not pray.

I don't mind someone having a TV,: just as long as they can't turn it on.

For most people if the internet is there they will watch anything and everything...from kiddie porn to beastiality. They will also spend so much time on the Internet that they will not pray. I don't mind a weak Christian having the Internet.....well...nuff said

Fiyahstarter · #67 01-31-2008, 01:45 AM

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Some how you always manage to miss the point! Don't you! But yours is the only one that is important. Right?

Typical lash out response when backed in a corner.

Again, what is your attempted point? That you want to control everyone's life to make sure they stay "saved" by your definition?

Fiyahstarter · #68 01-31-2008, 01:48 AM

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Hey Lady Rev! Haven't seen you for a while. Finished smoking that venison and looking forward to spring yet?

Smoking venison??? Is that legal? LOL!!

#69 01-31-2008, 08:34 AM

The issue isn't TV, video, or smoking venison...it's about seperation from the world. The TV and internet has been debated by better men than me, and probably always will be. The issue is how close to the world can you live, and still enter into Heaven. As for me and my house, we will not have TV. That's my choice. I need to stay away from the world as much as possible. Our elders decided that Hollywood entertainment was too worldly back then...and that was their man-made decision. We stuck with it. Now our leaders have decided that advertising on TV is ok. That, too, is their man-made decision. We either agree or disagree with the decision. But that doesn't mean that it's mandatory to own a TV. The Heaven/hell issues are in black and white (sometimes red-letters) in the bible, and I dare to mention rebellion, the 10 commandments, hair length, men and women wearing one anothers apparel, etc...but TV is not mentioned. So we can carry on and fuss forever and ever amen, and still not reach a conclusion...

Subdued · #70 01-31-2008, 10:33 AM

Separation from the world can be summed up here:

Galatians 5:19-26 (King James Version)

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

(^ The World - avoid the above)

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

(^ The Church - do/be these things)