A letter from Bro. Haney

[TrmptPraise]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

Someone needs to call "the old standards of Pentecost" what they are!

They are weights not Standards.

Am I to understand you to mean that Pentecostal standards are holding the church down....or are they just holding you down?

[Neck]

Originally Posted by IAintMovin

God bless Bro. Haney, and God bless the UPCI.......still the organization that has done more to promote the truth of the Word of God than any other movement in American History.........


To those that leave.........God bless Ya..........go ahead and leave and then do something a little different for a change........LEAVE us alone.........

The UPCI has left out their membership numbers from the 2208 World Almanac.

You know why?

Because they were supposed to be 5 times the AOG by now.

The growth rates talked about in the UPCI circles has been a joke for the better part of 30 years.

It has been stated that within the UPCI, that the UPCI is the fastest growing organization in the world.

The AOG has 12,084 Churches the UPCI has 3,790.

The UPCI does not have a church listed in the top 50 largest Churches in the US.

The AOG is listed as number 10 on the largest organizations in the US.

One thing the UPCI has not done has nothing to do with standards, truth etc.

They have not learned how to market the message and their churches.

The difference in the continued growth is using the tools to get the message out.

It the organization thinks tools such as TV or Internet are a compromise that would lead the organization down a sinners slope.

They should go back and look at their message...

The church will not grow if all the ministers can do is have lack of faith in God, themselves and their congregations.

[Joseph Miller]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

The UPCI has left out their membership numbers from the 2208 World Almanac.

You know why?

Because they were supposed to be 5 times the AOG by now.

The growth rates talked about in the UPCI circles has been a joke for the better part of 30 years.

It has been stated that within the UPCI, that the UPCI is the fastest growing organization in the world.

The AOG has 12,084 Churches the UPCI has 3,790.

The UPCI does not have a church listed in the top 50 largest Churches in the US.

The AOG is listed as number 10 on the largest organizations in the US.

One thing the UPCI has not done has nothing to do with standards, truth etc.

They have not learned how to market the message and their churches.

The difference in the continued growth is using the tools to get the message out.

It the organization thinks tools such as TV or Internet are a compromise that would lead the organization down a sinners slope.

They should go back and look at their message...

The church will not grow if all the ministers can do is have lack of faith in God, themselves and their congregations.

Where are the sour grapes?

Why are so many people on this forum so concerned with what is happening in circles of people who are NOT even saved.

The UPCI doesn't think that TV is compromise, the people leaving do, but this is the USA you have rights here. Those leaving are just using their right to be wrong.

[ChicagoPastor]

Has this letter been sent out to all ministers? I haven't received mine???
Was this just sent out to a few ministers????

[RevBuddy]

Nathan...

You have to chill out... a whole lot of bitterness in your postings... take a deep breath...we're not the enemy...and we're not even trying to be...

[Neck]

Originally Posted by TrmptPraise

Am I to understand you to mean that Pentecostal standards are holding the church down....or are they just holding you down?

I feel that standards as we understand them. I will not look down on anyone who wants to uphold them in with their convictions.

I no longer attend a UPCI church.

I do not say that as a badge of freedom.

I attend a oneness church where there are those with and without standards.

Standards are not holding me down or back....

[Joseph Miller]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

I feel that standards as we understand them. I will not look down on anyone who wants to uphold them in with their convictions.

I no longer attend a UPCI church.

I do not say that as a badge of freedom.

I attend a oneness church where there are those with and without standards.

Standards are not holding me down or back....

The question I have is this, What standards do you thow out and what ones do you keep? Who decides?

[Neck]

Originally Posted by RevBuddy

Nathan...

You have to chill out... a whole lot of bitterness in your postings... take a deep breath...we're not the enemy...and we're not even trying to be...

I have no bitterness. I am bitterless. I am not calling anyone the enemy.

I just posted 'my views".

I have been around for my entire life all 43 years....

I do see your point....

[TrmptPraise]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

I feel that standards as we understand them. I will not look down on anyone who wants to uphold them in with their convictions.

I no longer attend a UPCI church.

I do not say that as a badge of freedom.

I attend a oneness church where there are those with and without standards.

Standards are not holding me down or back....

I appreciate your honesty in saying that no longer attending a UPCI church is not a moment of the yoke being removed from you. However, the statement in bold intrigues me, as Bro. Miller has pointed out. When you say you attend such a church, what qualifies as a member in good standing? Is it biblical salvation? Is it upholding such standards as the pastor instructs (assuming he does)? Do members who do not uphold any standards participate as any other member would? What would constitute sin as it relates to standards?

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Joseph Miller

The question I have is this, What standards do you thow out and what ones do you keep? Who decides?

You might start by just not adding to them............

A real standard would be modesty, honesty, intergrity, compassion, giving, love, truthfulness.

Standards should look more like the fruits of the spirit and less like having to keep the sabath....