*** Poll: Does all scripture point to Acts 2:38? ****

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by mfblume

All scripture -- including Acts 2:38 -- points to the cross -- the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus.

Its kind of like saying the sun is hot, isnt it?

[Neck]

The "Lamb" was slain before the foundations of the world were laid.

Before the words that spoke the heavens and the earth into being.

Christ was laid upon the Cross....

Not Acts 2:38.

[Joelel]

Even Paul preached Acts 2:38.Paul preached the same gospel as the other apostles for salvation.Just worded a little different.

You must be baptized.

Blood was shed at death.Rom.6:: Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death (blood): that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5: For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death (blood), we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection

You must repent.

2 Cor.7:[10] For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

2Cor.12
[21] And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.

You must be filled with the Spirit.

Rom.8
[1] There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[2] For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[4] That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[5] For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
[6] For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
[10] And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
[11] But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
[13] For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
[14] For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
[15] For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
[16] The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Joelel

Even Paul preached Acts 2:38.Paul preached the same gospel as the other apostles for salvation.Just worded a little different.

You must be baptized.

Blood was shed at death.Rom.6:: Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death (blood): that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5: For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death (blood), we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection

You must repent.

2 Cor.7:[10] For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

2Cor.12
[21] And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.

You must be filled with the Spirit.

Rom.8
[1] There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[2] For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[4] That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[5] For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
[6] For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
[10] And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
[11] But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
[13] For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
[14] For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
[15] For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
[16] The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Paul Preached that to us that believe the Preaching of the Cross is the power of God.

I do not want to know anything amung you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.


Get to the cross and then.....

[Neck]

The Scriptures point to the Cross.

Acts 2:38 begins your journey from the Cross to Glory.

The Glory road is walked in Mercy, faith and in the fear of God.

Committing sin puts you back at the starting point the "Cross".

The importance of the Cross.

We visit the Cross daily.

We visit Acts 2:38 once....

There should be more preaching on the Cross.

Less preaching to the choir about Acts 2:38.

Some preach it as if they are getting baptized like Bill Murray waking up in Ground hog day at 6:00AM "to the same song over and over again."

Most spend 80% of their ministerial work preaching about Acts 2:38 a onetime experience.

20% preaching and teaching about the "Cross" and the Journey the "Cross" and Acts 2:38 puts you on......

Go from the tank to the Journey and live the life of an overcoming, motivated and "Action" Apostolic.

Not an "Apathetic" Apostolic.

There is more "Action" in the "Acts".

Otherwise this book of the bible should be known as the The Book "Act".

Or the "Act of the Apostles."

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

Paul Preached that to us that believe the Preaching of the Cross is the power of God.

I do not want to know anything amung you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.


Get to the cross and then.....

Isn't there a direct correlation between the cross of Christ and taking up our cross in repentance?

What about His burial in a tomb compared to our burial in water baptism....buried with Christ?

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

Paul Preached that to us that believe the Preaching of the Cross is the power of God.

I do not want to know anything amung you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.


Get to the cross and then.....

Sure Paul preached to believe first as all the apostles did,If a person don't believe first they sure are not going to repent and be baptixed and be born again of the Spirit.NOTE VERSE 9.

Rom.8
[1] There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[2] For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[4] That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[5] For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
[6] For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
[10] And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
[11] But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
[13] For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
[14] For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
[15] For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
[16] The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

Paul Preached that to us that believe the Preaching of the Cross is the power of God.

I do not want to know anything amung you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.


Get to the cross and then.....

Blood was shed at death.Rom.6:: Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death (blood): that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5: For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death (blood), we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Joelel

Blood was shed at death.Rom.6:: Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death (blood): that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5: For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death (blood), we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection

Before you are buried you need to understand what Christ did on the cross and believe that the shedding of his blood will give you forgiveness of sins.

There is no forgiveness at repentance without believing in the Cross of Calvary.

The problem I had growing up in the UPCI was the constant emphasis on Acts 2:38 to be preached without showing the importance of the Cross of Calvary.

We spent our entire walk with God talking about an experience all of us could only complete once in our walk with God...

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

Before you are buried you need to understand what Christ did on the cross and believe that the shedding of his blood will give you forgiveness of sins.

There is no forgiveness at repentance without believing in the Cross of Calvary.

The problem I had growing up in the UPCI was the constant emphasis on Acts 2:38 to be preached without showing the importance of the Cross of Calvary.

We spent our entire walk with God talking about an experience all of us could only complete once in our walk with God...

there is a lack of Grace teaching at times... Understanding Calvary and knowing and living in Grace does need to be taught...

You just grew up without that teaching...you can't paint the UPC with a broad brush judging by where you grew up....

And the experiance of Holy Ghost is a daily experiance...

Man..According to what your saying...you didn't recieve good teaching...