Christians and Politics

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

My kingdom is not of this world. Think about it. You seem to be thinking the same way the Jews were thinking. That is why Jesus had to explain it to them.
Allow me to repeat some more of what I’ve been told.

Luke 17
[21] Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Another example is on display here. "The kingdom of God is within you", therefore... what? Therefore we need to make sure we don't elect righteous people into office! Of course, how could I miss it? Since the kingdom of God is "within you", we need to make sure NOT to make any efforts to have righteous people in government, we need to make sure we stock the government chock full of wicked evil people, right? Of course, it's all so clear now.

Back to reality, though. Let's look at this, dear readers, a bit closer.

Jesus was talking to whom? The people to whom He was speaking, are the ones to whom He said "Behold, the kingdom of God is within YOU." So who was His audience?

Luke 17:20-21 KJV
And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: [21] Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Ah, how very interesting. Jesus declared the Kingdom of God was "within you" to a bunch of Pharisees.

Now, when people say "Jesus said the kingdom of God is within you" they take it to mean "the kingdom of God is simply a matter of the heart, it's all about your religious sentimental fee-fees, inside and all that." So I guess the Pharisees had the Kingdom of God within their hearts, then, eh?

Oops. Looks like somebody's been partaking of that naughty soundbite theology again.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

So, I take it toast isn't toast?

What is the meaning of "isn't"?

A related question: "What difference does it make?"

lol

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

What is the meaning of "isn't"?

A related question: "What difference does it make?"

lol

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Brother,

The scripture I copied and pasted specifically says the earth and the heavens. That is our world. Let me post it again.

[10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
[11] Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
[12] Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
[13] Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Maybe this will clarify.

Where did Peter get this idea? Or is the above verses detached from the comments made by Jesus in Matthew 5:18?

[Tithesmeister]

Questions for Esaias and EB and any others who put their confidence in the law of Moses.

When did you last sacrifice an animal to atone for your sins?

Lev.5

[6] And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the LORD for his sin which he hath sinned, a female from the flock, a lamb or a kid of the goats, for a sin offering; and the priest shall make an atonement for him concerning his sin.

If we are still under the law (which Gentiles and born again Christians NEVER were) then you should be offering sacrifices. I’m not under the curse of the law.

Gal.3

[13] Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Yall go ahead. I’m a Christian, born again. Eating catfish and shrimp. Resting in Jesus every day. I’m not under the curse of the law.

[Tithesmeister]

For the law was . . . As in used to be.

Gal.3

[24] Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

But now as in two thousand years ago and continuing to the present, and into the future . . .

[25] But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster

Hmmm . . . The law was our schoolmaster. But that was before Christ. HELLO? It brought us unto Christ. But now we have Christ. We are no longer under a schoolmaster!

Think about it! The curse of the law is self imposed. I choose to be free.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Questions for Esaias and EB and any others ...

Yall go ahead.

So, you pop in, drive by with some out of context verses, refuse to elaborate, refuse to actually discuss, and then "ask questions"?

Sorry, but that's not how it works.

The rest of your comment, which I did not bother to quote, proves beyond any shadow of a doubt, that you don't even know what I or brother Benincasa believes. You have just shown yourself to be intellectually dishonest. Nobody has advocated "putting our confidence in the law of Moses". What has been done is you have been asked questions, and you can't answer them. What has been done is your silly soundbites have been refuted, and you can't handle that. What has been done, is others have attempted to actually discuss the issue, and you can't participate.

Unfortunately, we do not have any parting gifts for you, nor is there anything behind door number 2 for you to have as a consolation prize. So sorry.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

For the law was . . . As in used to be.

Gal.3

[24] Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

But now as in two thousand years ago and continuing to the present, and into the future . . .

[25] But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster

Hmmm . . . The law was our schoolmaster. But that was before Christ. HELLO? It brought us unto Christ. But now we have Christ. We are no longer under a schoolmaster!

Think about it! The curse of the law is self imposed. I choose to be free.

You've missed the boat in this discussion and are yelling at it's departing silhouette.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Esaias

You've missed the boat in this discussion and are yelling at it's departing silhouette.

Ironic that you and EB pretend that you are on the same page. One of you think eating bacon is a sin. The other thinks bacon is good for you.

Unless something has changed?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Ironic that you and EB pretend that you are on the same page. One of you think eating bacon is a sin. The other thinks bacon is good for you.

Unless something has changed?

The boat done passed over the horizon and you are still on the beach yelling about the passenger list? Should have got in the boat.