RCC is satanic

[Amanah]

Bro E, you are a walking encyclopedia.
You are a tremendous resource and treasure for this forum.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Where do you think the mother goddess/child, dying and reborn god mythology originated?

I think there are two basic ideas there - one is the Mother and Child, and the other is the dying and reborn god.

The dying and reborn god usually in most mythologies refers to the Sun god and agriculture god (usually the same) dying off (causing winter) and then being reborn (causing spring). Obviously the myth is an attempt to "explain" the seasons, as well as the astronomical observations of the sun's path through the equinoxes and solstices. In fact, most pagan religion appears to be an attempt to either communicate or explain astronomical observations.

The mother and child motif of course would be very natural for people to focus on since that is a fundamental facet of human life. Anthropologists think that may be the most ancient and primitive form of religion.

But Hislop was incorrect in asserting a Nimrod/Semiramis/Tammuz myth as the origin of all that. Nimrod, Semiramis, and Tammuz are certainly historical mythological figures, but generally have no connection to one another except in Hislop's book and perhaps in Eusebius, whose source was dubious and not very accurate in many details.

I think the Mother Goddess and child would be a natural myth to develop to coincide with the basic concepts of fertility, family, life, and origins. The dying sun god who is reborn every year certainly seems to be simply a way to say the sun recedes every year causing vegetation to die off and everything gets colder, then it returns every year brings new life (spring). Thus the sun god is also clearly associated with fertility, agriculture, life, and death.

What is interesting to me is this:

Psalm 19:1-4 KJV
The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. [2] Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. [3] There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard. [4] Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,

The stars, moon, sun, constellations, etc are said to declare God's glory and His "handywork". Ancient religions from Mesopotamia (and even other unrelated cultures) were usually based on astrology/astronomy, ie they were the worship of the heavenly host. The myths are retellings of the astronomical orbits and cycles of the stars and planets and constellations.

There is a message in the ancient pagan religons, and it clearly parallels the Gospel/Bible message, it is a corruption of it. So this leads me to think the heavens really do declare the glory of God and show His handywork - that is, they tell a Story, have a Message, that is the basic Gospel message. The pagans corrupted that message, by worshipping the things created rather than the Creator, and by re-imagining the "story" being told in their now corrupted understanding.

For example, the constellation Orion (the hunter) was originally known to the Chaldeans as the Shepherd. He has his raised foot above the head of Draco or the Dragon or Serpent. Here we have the bible message of the Shepherd/Warrior (Christ, the seed of the woman) crushing the head of the serpent/Dragon/satan. - By the way, I am trying to see how Orion went from the Shepherd to the Hunter - makes me think of Nimrod being the "mighty hunter". Was the acclamation of Nimrod as the mighty hunter the beginning of the shift from the original message of the Shepherd defeating the great enemy to the mighty hunter defeating the great enemy? The story of Baal includes his defeat of Mot, the god of death...

What is the goal here? (you are probably wondering). First of all to simply understand the correct history of the world. Secondly, the modern "elites" all seem to be associated with Saturn worship. The ideas of for example "the black sun" (which was a designation for Saturn anciently) etc all tie in to the fact that the Apocalyptic system propped up by the Beast is called "Babylon", meaning there is a Chaldean/Mesopotamian ideological connection. A mystery cult or religion persisting from ancient Babylon to today, with the same mythology and beliefs. It all has to do with the answer to the question of "What exactly is going on here in the earth?"

There is a conflict between two religions - Jehovah's and Baal's - which originate in a conflict between two people groups - the lineage of Noah and the righteous prophets/priests of Jehovah, and the lineage of Ham, Cush, Nimrod, etc and the corrupted version of the original Message and the original Plan. Both groups believe they have the correct understanding. Both groups believe they are destined to rule the earth. And world history seems to be the ongoing conflict between these two groups, even down to today.

EDIT: correction - I said Orion had his foot on Draco. This is incorrect (I was confusing Ophiuchus with Orion). currently, Orion has his foot lifted up above Lepus, the Hare. That comes from the Greeks. The Egyptian Zodiac at the Temple of Denderah has the constellation figured as a serpent (thus Orion - Osiris in Egyptian mythology - is lifting his foot up above a serpent to crush it). The Persians likewise pictured Lepus not as a rabbit but as a serpent. Interestingly, the Greeks associated Lepus the Hare with Saturn as representing guile, lies, and evil.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Bro E, you are a walking encyclopedia.

Either that or a bad episode of the Twilight Zone lol

[Amanah]

Meta search brought this up, although they mention that the triad existed before the bible account.

There is historical evidence of a religious system in ancient Mesopotamia that parallels the biblical account of Nimrod and the worship of a mother goddess and child, as well as the myth of Baal's death and rebirth.

The ancient Sumerians, Akkadians, and Babylonians worshipped a triad of gods:

1. _Inanna_ (Sumerian) / _Ishtar_ (Akkadian) / _Easter_ (Babylonian): the mother goddess of love, fertility, and war.
2. _Dumuzi_ (Sumerian) / _Tammuz_ (Akkadian): the child god, consort of Inanna, and god of shepherds and fertility.
3. _Baal_ (Akkadian) / _Nabu_ (Babylonian): the god of storms, fertility, and agriculture.

The mythological cycle of Baal's death and rebirth is well-documented in ancient Mesopotamian texts, such as the "Atra-Khasis" and "Enuma Elish". Baal's death was mourned by the goddess Anat, and his rebirth was celebrated as a symbol of the annual renewal of nature.

While Nimrod is not directly associated with this religious system in extant Mesopotamian texts, the biblical account may have drawn inspiration from these ancient myths and legends. The connection between Nimrod and the founding of a religious system is a topic of ongoing scholarly debate and research.

Keep in mind that the biblical account of Nimrod is relatively brief (Genesis 10:8-12, 1 Chronicles 1:10), and its historical context is still a matter of interpretation among scholars.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Yes, there is historical evidence of a religious system in ancient Mesopotamia that parallels the biblical account of Nimrod and the worship of a mother goddess and child, as well as the myth of Baal's death and rebirth.

The ancient Sumerians, Akkadians, and Babylonians worshipped a triad of gods:

1. _Inanna_ (Sumerian) / _Ishtar_ (Akkadian) / _Easter_ (Babylonian): the mother goddess of love, fertility, and war.
2. _Dumuzi_ (Sumerian) / _Tammuz_ (Akkadian): the child god, consort of Inanna, and god of shepherds and fertility.
3. _Baal_ (Akkadian) / _Nabu_ (Babylonian): the god of storms, fertility, and agriculture.

The mythological cycle of Baal's death and rebirth is well-documented in ancient Mesopotamian texts, such as the "Atra-Khasis" and "Enuma Elish". Baal's death was mourned by the goddess Anat, and his rebirth was celebrated as a symbol of the annual renewal of nature.

While Nimrod is not directly associated with this religious system in extant Mesopotamian texts, the biblical account may have drawn inspiration from these ancient myths and legends. The connection between Nimrod and the founding of a religious system is a topic of ongoing scholarly debate and research.

Keep in mind that the biblical account of Nimrod is relatively brief (Genesis 10:8-12, 1 Chronicles 1:10), and its historical context is still a matter of interpretation among scholars.

Ever consider that the myth might have drawn inspiration from the Biblical account?

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Ever consider that the myth might have drawn inspiration from the Biblical account?

Of course, the point is the triad existed and still exists.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Meta search brought this up, although they mention that the triad existed before the bible account.

There is historical evidence of a religious system in ancient Mesopotamia that parallels the biblical account of Nimrod and the worship of a mother goddess and child, as well as the myth of Baal's death and rebirth.

The ancient Sumerians, Akkadians, and Babylonians worshipped a triad of gods:

1. _Inanna_ (Sumerian) / _Ishtar_ (Akkadian) / _Easter_ (Babylonian): the mother goddess of love, fertility, and war.
2. _Dumuzi_ (Sumerian) / _Tammuz_ (Akkadian): the child god, consort of Inanna, and god of shepherds and fertility.
3. _Baal_ (Akkadian) / _Nabu_ (Babylonian): the god of storms, fertility, and agriculture.

The mythological cycle of Baal's death and rebirth is well-documented in ancient Mesopotamian texts, such as the "Atra-Khasis" and "Enuma Elish". Baal's death was mourned by the goddess Anat, and his rebirth was celebrated as a symbol of the annual renewal of nature.

While Nimrod is not directly associated with this religious system in extant Mesopotamian texts, the biblical account may have drawn inspiration from these ancient myths and legends. The connection between Nimrod and the founding of a religious system is a topic of ongoing scholarly debate and research.

Keep in mind that the biblical account of Nimrod is relatively brief (Genesis 10:8-12, 1 Chronicles 1:10), and its historical context is still a matter of interpretation among scholars.

Actually the ancient Mesopotamians worshipped a plethora of gods and goddesses. I have not yet seen actual evidence of any particular "triads" (trinities) in actual Sumerian, Assyrian, or Babylonian writings. Not that it isn't there, I just haven't come across it just yet.

Tammuz (Damuzi in Sumeria) wasn't a child god, he was the husband or lover of Inanna or Ishtar. Hislop identified Inanna/Ishtar with Isis and Tammuz with Horus, and thereby found an association between Nimrod and Osiris. But a lot of his reasoning was far fetched and not really backed up by historical sources.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Actually the ancient Mesopotamians worshipped a plethora of gods and goddesses. I have not yet seen actual evidence of any particular "triads" (trinities) in actual Sumerian, Assyrian, or Babylonian writings. Not that it isn't there, I just haven't come across it just yet.

Tammuz (Damuzi in Sumeria) wasn't a child god, he was the husband or lover of Inanna or Ishtar. Hislop identified Inanna/Ishtar with Isis and Tammuz with Horus, and thereby found an association between Nimrod and Osiris. But a lot of his reasoning was far fetched and not really backed up by historical sources.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Of course, the point is the triad existed and still exists.

It still exists in what way and in what scale?

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

It still exists in what way and in what scale?

I suppose you think I'm, please enlighten me