If You Are A Disciple

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by 1 God

No, we understand the last days as an era of time. There is no other explanation. Peter said we are officially in the last days per Acts 2, culminating in cataclysmic events yet to transpire .

"There is no other explanation."

[1 God]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Most of his other disciples haven't, either, and it usually shows.



Are you sure about that? Let's see.



Fall and rise doesn't necessarily mean "fall and RETURN". See? You didn't just quote Scripture. You added an interpretation. A false one at that. One popularised by Darby, Scofield, Larkin, TBN, and most modern prophecy pundits of the last 100 years.

You assume that "Israel" in the Bible means the people today who call themselves "Jews" (and are not, but are instead the synagogue of Satan according to Jesus Christ - Rev 2:9, Rev 3:9). You assume the Bible teaches the Jews would reoccupy Jerusalem and Palestine right before the "Tribulation of seven years" marking the short countdown of "the last days", the rise and reign of "The Antichrist"(TM), the "Rapture", and the end of the world.

But these are heretical doctrines introduced during the 1600s-1800s BY DESIGN to promote Christian support of a political movement among certain Zionist Jews and their Anglo-Scottish backers (who were and are in debt to the Vatican). It's literally a hodge-podge of Freemasonic kabbalistic Zionist propaganda invented to not only bolster the political aspirations of the true Biblical antichrist, but render Christianity impotent in order to prevent any repeats of various medieval pogroms.

The people today who claim to be "Jews" are not actual Judeans except in the sense they claim to follow the religion of Pharisaism. Ethnically about half of them are a mixed Turkic, Slavic, and Arabic group, and from what I remember the Jewish Almanac claimed the other approximately 50% are Oriental (east Asian). The Jewish Encyclopedia also acknowledges that Edom is a part of Jewry as well. Moreover, there is NO prophecy saying anything about antichrist unbelieving degenerate Jews being given Palestine as a result of the Abrahamic Covenant. The promises to Israel of return from captivity are CONDITIONED UPON REPENTANCE.

But those promises aren't applicable to the people today known as "Jews" anyway, anymore than the Apache Indians can lay claim to any supposed Divine inheritance to Jerusalem or its environs "because muh Abraham".

There is no other explanation. It's either the fall and rise of national Israel or the fall and rise of the Christian church. The former is correct.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Most of his other disciples haven't, either, and it usually shows.



Are you sure about that? Let's see.



Fall and rise doesn't necessarily mean "fall and RETURN". See? You didn't just quote Scripture. You added an interpretation. A false one at that. One popularised by Darby, Scofield, Larkin, TBN, and most modern prophecy pundits of the last 100 years.

You assume that "Israel" in the Bible means the people today who call themselves "Jews" (and are not, but are instead the synagogue of Satan according to Jesus Christ - Rev 2:9, Rev 3:9). You assume the Bible teaches the Jews would reoccupy Jerusalem and Palestine right before the "Tribulation of seven years" marking the short countdown of "the last days", the rise and reign of "The Antichrist"(TM), the "Rapture", and the end of the world.

But these are heretical doctrines introduced during the 1600s-1800s BY DESIGN to promote Christian support of a political movement among certain Zionist Jews and their Anglo-Scottish backers (who were and are in debt to the Vatican). It's literally a hodge-podge of Freemasonic kabbalistic Zionist propaganda invented to not only bolster the political aspirations of the true Biblical antichrist, but render Christianity impotent in order to prevent any repeats of various medieval pogroms.

The people today who claim to be "Jews" are not actual Judeans except in the sense they claim to follow the religion of Pharisaism. Ethnically about half of them are a mixed Turkic, Slavic, and Arabic group, and from what I remember the Jewish Almanac claimed the other approximately 50% are Oriental (east Asian). The Jewish Encyclopedia also acknowledges that Edom is a part of Jewry as well. Moreover, there is NO prophecy saying anything about antichrist unbelieving degenerate Jews being given Palestine as a result of the Abrahamic Covenant. The promises to Israel of return from captivity are CONDITIONED UPON REPENTANCE.

But those promises aren't applicable to the people today known as "Jews" anyway, anymore than the Apache Indians can lay claim to any supposed Divine inheritance to Jerusalem or its environs "because muh Abraham".

E - links for the above?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

E - links for the above?

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...1&postcount=57

[james34]

Are we still looking for a resurrection of the dead in Christ. The one where there is neither marrying nor being given in marriage.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by james34

Are we still looking for a resurrection of the dead in Christ. The one where there is neither marrying nor being given in marriage.

Did you have a spat with the missus?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Did you have a spat with the missus?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by 1 God

The apostles thought they were in the last days(end of the age), but this was always in the back of their mind....34 And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;. Jesus told them about it per Luke 21;24, but they found out the hard way when Israel was not restored yet in their lifetimes. This event was reserved for us to see.

You are taking the Bible like any other religious group, and placing your own preconceived notions into the verse. Simeon was promised by God that he would behold the King who would restore Israel. Jesus did just what Simeon was awaiting. Bringing total restoration to Israel. Those in Jesus' time didn't believe He was the savior because the Judean religions at that time predicted that it would happen different ways. So when Jesus came on the scene, even His own heralder "John the Baptist" missed it, "are you the one who was to come or should we look for another?" Matthew 11:3. God told John who Jesus was, John 1:33. Yet, John doubted when physical situations didn't play out the way John theologically expected them to play. Therefore, Jesus had to send John this explanation of Matthew 11:5. John doubted no more because the words of the prophet were being fulfilled Isaiah 29:18-19, Isaiah 35:5, and Isaiah 61:1-2.

As my brother Esaias beautifully and masterfully explained, those who you believe to be natural physical Israel aren't those who were spoken about in the Bible.

[james34]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Did you have a spat with the missus?

Dodge accepted.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by james34

Dodge accepted.

Cam and lifter failures, exhaust manifold failures, compression issues, coolant leaks, engine stalls, cylinder head failure, engine failure, illuminated check engine lights which go on for no reason showing no codes. Ford trucks, Ford tough!