Where you end up in eternity will be determined
by decisions you make while living here on Earth.
But, you already know that....I have NO doubt.
I know the story, yeah. But I was just offering you all the chance to explain it to me, one more time: why is a Savior necessary, again? (Yes, I already know the answer. But I want someone to say it! Why do I, Timmy, need a Savior? I need to be saved from what, exactly? And why am I in that predicament of needing saving?)
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
I know the story, yeah. But I was just offering you all the chance to explain it to me, one more time: why is a Savior necessary, again? (Yes, I already know the answer. But I want someone to say it! Why do I, Timmy, need a Savior? I need to be saved from what, exactly? And why am I in that predicament of needing saving?)
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Fine, then. I'll explain it myself. And I'll try to be accurate. Corrections are welcome.
I need to be saved from God's wrath. He's very angry with me for the sins I have committed. It wouldn't really matter what sins, nor how many, nor how severe: any sin is bad enough to bring it on.
God demands absolute perfection, or He will kill you. He has to, because He's perfect. And since I am not perfect, I must die. It is what I deserve. Nobody can deserve to live. It is not possible to be perfect. We all deserve to be punished for not be able to do the impossible.
So unless I am saved from it, I will end up receiving the punishment I deserve (which, besides mere "death", also includes, depending on who you believe, eternal torment in the lake of fire, or annihilation, or eternal separation from God, or a number of other possibilities).
So, a Savior is needed so I can avoid the horrible punishment that I deserve.
How'd I do?
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
This is pretty much the standard view, yup. Where you say "God will kill you," I understand that it would be me killing myself, in ignorance--and there are other models than that ridiculous Original Sin one you are quoting, just so you know. Let the dead bury the dead?
This is pretty much the standard view, yup. Where you say "God will kill you," I understand that it would be me killing myself, in ignorance--and there are other models than that ridiculous Original Sin one you are quoting, just so you know. Let the dead bury the dead?
'Bout time you showed up!
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
This is pretty much the standard view, yup. Where you say "God will kill you," I understand that it would be me killing myself, in ignorance--and there are other models than that ridiculous Original Sin one you are quoting, just so you know. Let the dead bury the dead?
Do I deserve punishment of death? (I'm not asking if I will die. Don't answer the wrong question!)
If so, why do I deserve punishment of death?
Is it possible not to deserve punishment of death?
(Use any definition of "die" that you like, but please spell that definition out for us. )
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
I know the story, yeah. But I was just offering you all the chance to explain it to me, one more time: why is a Savior necessary, again? (Yes, I already know the answer. But I want someone to say it! Why do I, Timmy, need a Savior? I need to be saved from what, exactly? And why am I in that predicament of needing saving?)
Well, if you don't believe in sin then there is no need for you to have a Savior, right? Well I think that most people don't ever question if there is sin or not so they also don't question that everyone needs a Savior either. I am not sure where I stand on all that anymore other than I stand with an open mind.
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"If we don't learn to live together we're gonna die alone"
Jack Shephard.
Well, if you don't believe in sin then there is no need for you to have a Savior, right? Well I think that most people don't ever question if there is sin or not so they also don't question that everyone needs a Savior either. I am not sure where I stand on all that anymore other than I stand with an open mind.
I don't exactly question whether there is sin or not. I certainly don't deny that I have done wrong. Do I deserve death as my punishment?
(Of course, I am mainly asking folks who do know where they stand on these matters. )
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
I don't exactly question whether there is sin or not. I certainly don't deny that I have done wrong. Do I deserve death as my punishment?
(Of course, I am mainly asking folks who do know where they stand on these matters. )
I can tell you that I was sure of the answers...months ago...now I am not sure of anything, but that Timmy is the coolest fool on AFF...next to me of course. LOL
I think from a redemptive angle sure we all deserve death...but from the Jesus angle no one deserves death because didn't Jesus take care of that for everyone?
Timmy....
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"If we don't learn to live together we're gonna die alone"
Jack Shephard.
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