Psychiatry An Industry Of Death Full Length

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

"You reap what you sow," is not witchcraft-- but I hope no one has to deal with mental illness and I am sure JB is not wishing mental illness on EB.

Did you see where I said "You probably don't realize it, but..."?

I did not say he wanted brother Benincasa to get "mental illness". Listen, we live in an occult-saturated society, it's been infiltrated into our very thought processes via constant exposure from every angle. It has crept into the church in many ways, some of which are not at all obvious. Guess what? There's a term for it in psychology - "magical thinking".

Being adamant that psychotherapy is quackery and that what people need is the power of Jesus is NOT sowing the wind to reap the whirlwind. Karma is not a Bible doctrine. The Bible teaches if you follow the world, flesh, and the devil you will be destroyed, sooner or later, but if you trust in and follow Jesus you will receive abundance of grace and mercy.

America has abandoned God and lo and behold we are drowning in "mental disorders". We grope at noonday like it was midnight and are smitten with madness.

But the guy who points out the problem is sowing destruction to suffer a curse upon himself?

American Christianity has no salt left, it's all sugar and cinnamon, made by the Ichabod Spice Co.

[JoeBandy]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I challenge the reader to do the research on the following claims:

1. There is no such thing as a "chemical imbalance in the brain." No test exists that can determine some so-called "chemical imbalance".

2. Psychology (including psychiatry, and psychotherapy) is a "field" that was developed specifically as an applied "science" whose goal is social engineering on a grand scale. It was invented and is promoted for the express purpose of steering society towards a specific end-state by alteration of paradigms.

3. The vast majority of psychiatric treatments do not actually work as advertised, and are often worse than the conditions they pretend to treat.

4. The more psychiatry we have, the more mental illness we have. To the point that not trusting psychiatry is on the way to being labelled as a treatable mental illness.

Consider the following:

"Can we develop a clinically useful diagnostic system based on neuroscience and genetics? Not yet. "

https://www.nimh.nih.gov/about/direc...isorders.shtml

Not yet? That means there is currently, and never has been, any objective BIOLOGICAL method for diagnosing mental disorders. Just let that sink in for a moment. It means psychiatry is LITERALLY on the SAME LEVEL as tarot readings and shamanic vision quests - it's all about some white-coat's personal "intuitive" opinion, not SCIENCE.

Consider this:

"A major investigation into scores of claims made in psychology research journals has delivered a bleak verdict on the state of the science.

An international team of experts repeated 100 experiments published in top psychology journals and found that they could reproduce only 36% of original findings."

https://www.theguardian.com/science/...riment-results

Do you get that? It means the field of psychology is NOT ACTUAL SCIENCE. Well, what do you call something presented as science that isn't? PSEUDOSCIENCE, on the level of orgone therapy, crystal power, and psychic readers.

Brother, like JD said I could find two articles of research to counter what you have posted here and then you could do the same. And around and around we go. If you do not believe in mental illness great I myself believe its diagnosed way to much for not the right reasons. I am only going by what myself and a few of my closest relatives have experienced. If some want to belittle or question the validity that's on them. I don't care to argue.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

I will give 2 example that happened to me personally. In my late teen my best friend suffered with severe allergies, he would wear a half face respirator while mowing. I would laugh and poke fun... now 30 years later guess what?? My wife has suffered with anxiety, first few years of our marriage I did not believe her. I had my doubts about anxiety and depression. Well spring of 2015 I had a bout with anxiety. Thought I was having a heart attack. Ambulance called rushed to ER. Found out I am healthy as a 20 year old. Just anxiety , yes I refused meds and used some techniques that have worked. During this time there is no way a demon would have come within a mile of me. My wife still battles it from time to time. Now if some one like EB wants to claim I nor my wife have the Holy Ghost, o well I do not care. I know the life we live and the witness we have. There is a scripture for EB's unbelief. I cant recall book, chapter and verse.. For tongues is a sign not for the believer but the unbeliever.

You "laughed and made fun" of someone, and then later had to deal with that issue yourself?

And that is the same in principle as saying "mental illness needs the power of God, not quack pseudoscience"?

Seriously?

You or your wife have bouts with anxiety because you mocked an asthmatic?

Do you even realise your anecdote has no similarity whatsoever to anything actually happening here?

Hello? Bueller?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

3. The vast majority of psychiatric treatments do not actually work as advertised, and are often worse than the conditions they pretend to treat.

In some cases yes and in some cases no. They definitely have room to grow in this area. I think this is why so many don't trust psychotropic medications. I found an interesting article on it:

http://www.nature.com/news/psycholog...cience-1.15541

[Amanah]

The witch of Endor – one possible way to look at psychiatry and meds.

The prophet, Samuel, said to Saul, "For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king...for thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, and the LORD hath rejected thee from being king over Israel" (1st Samuel 15:23-26)... Saul was a rebel; i.e., he had to do everything his way instead of Gods...

Because Saul rejected God, he consulted with a witch who lived in Endor (1st Samuel 28:7)... Today, this would be likened to psychics, tarots, horoscopes, astrology, and psychiatrists... We read in 2nd Corinthians 10:5, "Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ."..

Saul committed a wicked sin by seeking guidance from an ungodly source, like witchcraft, sorcery. We can see by the definition of the word pharmakeia below that drugs can be related to sorcery.

pharmakeia: the use of medicine, drugs or spells
Original Word: φαρμακεία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: pharmakeia
Phonetic Spelling: (far-mak-i'-ah)
Short Definition: magic, sorcery, enchantment
Definition: magic, sorcery, enchantment.
HELPS Word-studies
5331 pharmakeía (from pharmakeuō, "administer drugs") – properly, drug-related sorcery, like the practice of magical-arts, etc. (A. T. Robertson).
http://biblehub.com/greek/5331.htm

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

Brother, like JD said I could find two articles of research to counter what you have posted here and then you could do the same. And around and around we go.

You cannot find any study showing a more than 50% replication rate for a wide array of "psychology studies" that would refute the article I quoted from. Sure you can find lots of internet pages making lots of claims, like posts on AFF, but just because a webpage makes a claim does not make it remotely valid.

I don't think you understand the difference between scientific validity and baseless (useless) opinions.

If you do not believe in mental illness great I myself believe its diagnosed way to much for not the right reasons. I am only going by what myself and a few of my closest relatives have experienced. If some want to belittle or question the validity that's on them. I don't care to argue.

Belittle? See, this proves you cannot discuss anything rationally. I never belittled anyone except the quacks in white coats looking for an easy income. But you twisted an objection to falsified claims by "experts" who aren't, into some kind of personal attack and belittlement of people suffering various issues.

No different than me telling a victim of a mugging "The police aren't going to be much help" and them screaming back "Why do you hate me? You're literally Hitler! Mugger!"

Let me guess, you've been to college?

[JoeBandy]

Originally Posted by Esaias

You "laughed and made fun" of someone, and then later had to deal with that issue yourself?

And that is the same in principle as saying "mental illness needs the power of God, not quack pseudoscience"?

Seriously?

You or your wife have bouts with anxiety because you mocked an asthmatic?

Do you even realise your anecdote has no similarity whatsoever to anything actually happening here?

Hello? Bueller?

I am not that guy! I know that I am a simple minded redneck and sometimes my point does not come across in my typing. I was saying I had anxiety because I did not believe my wife did and gave her a hard time. If you go back and read anxiety and depression are on EB's list of things he does not believe. Now if you can not address me with the same respect as I have given you then don't address me at all. I am here for discussions not arguments furthermore if I wanted a smart aleck comment I would have called my teenage son.

[JoeBandy]

Originally Posted by Esaias

You cannot find any study showing a more than 50% replication rate for a wide array of "psychology studies" that would refute the article I quoted from. Sure you can find lots of internet pages making lots of claims, like posts on AFF, but just because a webpage makes a claim does not make it remotely valid.

I don't think you understand the difference between scientific validity and baseless (useless) opinions.



Belittle? See, this proves you cannot discuss anything rationally. I never belittled anyone except the quacks in white coats looking for an easy income. But you twisted an objection to falsified claims by "experts" who aren't, into some kind of personal attack and belittlement of people suffering various issues.

No different than me telling a victim of a mugging "The police aren't going to be much help" and them screaming back "Why do you hate me? You're literally Hitler! Mugger!"

Let me guess, you've been to college?

Have a good day brother!

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Is that a "phenomenon"? Or is it wishful thinking?

Originally Posted by Esaias

Did you see where I said "You probably don't realize it, but..."?

I did not say he wanted brother Benincasa to get "mental illness". Listen, we live in an occult-saturated society, it's been infiltrated into our very thought processes via constant exposure from every angle. It has crept into the church in many ways, some of which are not at all obvious. Guess what? There's a term for it in psychology - "magical thinking".

Being adamant that psychotherapy is quackery and that what people need is the power of Jesus is NOT sowing the wind to reap the whirlwind. Karma is not a Bible doctrine. The Bible teaches if you follow the world, flesh, and the devil you will be destroyed, sooner or later, but if you trust in and follow Jesus you will receive abundance of grace and mercy.

1) America has abandoned God and lo and behold we are drowning in "mental disorders". We grope at noonday like it was midnight and are smitten with madness.

2) But the guy who points out the problem is sowing destruction to suffer a curse upon himself?

American Christianity has no salt left, it's all sugar and cinnamon, made by the Ichabod Spice Co.

1) The bolded reminds me of Saul and Nebuchadnezzer.

2) No one has actually said that. JB may have seemed to imply it, but like you and I both agree, that was probably not JB's intent.

3) Cinnamon has several medicinal properties...

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Amanah

The witch of Endor – one possible way to look at psychiatry and meds.

The prophet, Samuel, said to Saul, "For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king...for thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, and the LORD hath rejected thee from being king over Israel" (1st Samuel 15:23-26)... Saul was a rebel; i.e., he had to do everything his way instead of Gods...

Because Saul rejected God, he consulted with a witch who lived in Endor (1st Samuel 28:7)... Today, this would be likened to psychics, tarots, horoscopes, astrology, and psychiatrists... We read in 2nd Corinthians 10:5, "Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ."..

Saul committed a wicked sin by seeking guidance from an ungodly source, like witchcraft, sorcery. We can see by the definition of the word pharmakeia below that drugs can be related to sorcery.

pharmakeia: the use of medicine, drugs or spells
Original Word: φαρμακεία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: pharmakeia
Phonetic Spelling: (far-mak-i'-ah)
Short Definition: magic, sorcery, enchantment
Definition: magic, sorcery, enchantment.
HELPS Word-studies
5331 pharmakeía (from pharmakeuō, "administer drugs") – properly, drug-related sorcery, like the practice of magical-arts, etc. (A. T. Robertson).
http://biblehub.com/greek/5331.htm

I can see where we get our modern word, "pharmacy".

Should we abandon CVS?