Polygamy in the Bible

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Op Carl, you make some very good points and ask some provocative questions.

I once had a sociology professor open a discussion on politics, culture, women, and the right to vote. He asked how the political landscape would look and what American culture would be like if women were never granted the right to vote. Even the liberals in the discussion (who were slightly taken aback at the notion) admitted that many, if not most, of the "social issues" (that worry conservatives) facing America today would be non-existant or seriously deminished. For example, where would the Pro-Choice movement be...if women didn't vote?

Yikes you did NOT just open that enormous can of worms!

I have seen the analysis of the various elections/issues that show the influence of women voters as a bloc, but I must say that most of our present troubles originated with FDR and LBJ. The civil rights voting act of 1964 rescinded the bill of rights and the republic, and replaced them with group identity and and democracy, both of which we were warned against by the founders. The "Great Society" war on poverty demolished the progress and upward mobility that had just begun in the lower income classes and minority groups. Fathers were replaced by the nanny state, and incentive to acheive was immensely hampered. Many of the things that I, as a conservative, take issue with would not be if we had continued governance as a representative republic during the past 45 years, instead of mob rule (aka the tyranny of the majority). A great thinker observed that democracies only last until the people realize that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. We're approaching vertical on that particular infernal slippery slope!

[Nina]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

The "Great Society" war on poverty demolished the progress and upward mobility that had just begun in the lower income classes and minority groups. Fathers were replaced by the nanny state, and incentive to acheive was immensely hampered.

I live in Selma where a lot of History was made.

The fatherless children are so sad.

Definitely a mission field!

[Dora]

It is sad what our Western culture has done to the male population. Have you heard of the book called "Save the Males?" The author was featured on Laurie Ingraham's talk show. Interesting discussion. I'd like to read the book.

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by Dora

It is sad what our Western culture has done to the male population. Have you heard of the book called "Save the Males?" The author was featured on Laurie Ingraham's talk show. Interesting discussion. I'd like to read the book.

If you'd really like to understand what is going on in our culture vis-a-vis men and women, you should read a book by Steve Moxon called The Woman Racket. Don't let the title deceive you, it's mostly a book on biology.

There is another book, in a similar vein to the Kathleen Parker book you mention, called Women: Theory and Practice, that offers a far more profound view on the topic of the cultural war against masculinity. A lot of it simply lays out in an orderly progression things that we have been vaguely aware of all along, but there are some cutting edge insights, perhaps even some revolutionary concepts for some.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

You are correct.

You are also viewing this from a perch atop the pinnacle of female liberation. Western women have more choice and control over their destiny than any class of women in history. However, the extreme feminists, the ones who drive the political agendas, continue to push for more and more favor and privilege for women. I'm sure that you can see that the flip side of this coin is that there exists less favor and privilege for men. Western civilization has handed over the keys to the traditional family to women. The entire spectrum of family and gender law is nowadays institutionally biased against men. Women are societally encouraged to be self-absorbed, to seek self-fulfillment and romantic, unrealistic, ideals in relationships.

In light of the twin facts that boys raised by single mothers are far more likely to end up in jail, and approximately 75% of divorce is initiated by women these days, how would you evaluate the civilizational impact of taking women's liberation to the other extreme?

I agree Carl! The current situation is really sad and most contrary to God will.

[ILG]

If you do some searches on the connection between polygamy and child abuse/wife abuse you will find a lot of material. Those people who are saying that children and women are better off in polygamous families rather than fatherless or husbandless are, once again, all wet. Again, this may be somewhat true in certain cultures, in extreme circumstances, but only to keep people from starving. I might rather starve.

[LUKE2447]

ANY relationship is only as good as the people in it! Stop trying to make one worse than the other!

[ILG]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leila_%28film%29

An Iranian Movie...made in a culture that accepts polygamous marriages on the tragedy of such.

Leila (film)
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Leila

Directed by Dariush Mehrjui
Produced by Dariush Mehrjui
Written by Dariush Mehrjui, Mahnaz Ansarian
Starring Leila Hatami,
Ali Mosaffa,
Jamileh Sheikhi,
Mohamad Reza Sharifinia,
Turan Mehrzad,
Amir Pievar,
Shaghayegh Farahani,

Release date(s) 1996
Running time 102 minutes
Language Persian
IMDb profile
Leila is an Iranian movie directed by Dariush Mehrjui.


[edit] Plot synopsis
Iranian filmmaker Dariush Mehrjui (Gaav) directed and co-wrote this tale of a woman's dissolving marriage in contemporary Iran. Leila (Leila Hatami) meets her future husband, Reza (Ali Mosaffa), when a friend brings him to a family event. Two months later, they're married, and things seem to be blissful. The middle-class couple has a playful and loving relationship, but their happiness is jeopardized when they discover that Leila cannot bear children. As the couple tries various tests and alternate methods of conception to no avail, Reza continually reassures Leila that it's not important to him to have children -- only to be with her. But Reza is the only male child in his family, and his mother (Jamileh Sheikhi), an old-fashioned woman, is determined for him to have a son to continue the family line. She continually harangues Leila, telling her that Reza desperately wants a child, even if he insists to Leila that he doesn't. Eventually all the pressure from Reza's mother and her own feelings of inadequacy get to Leila, and she agrees to allow Reza to take a second wife who can have his child. As the couple grow more despondent and uncertain as to how to please one another, Reza, unable to assuage Leila's guilt, reluctantly agrees to meet several women his mother has selected as potential second wives. At first, Reza and Leila joke about the unsuitability of the women he's fixed up with, and rediscover some of the joy in their own loving marriage, but eventually their resistance wears down, and they both give in to his mother's wishes. ~ Josh Ralske, All Movie Guide

[Apprehended]

After seeing this thread for a long time but not opening it, I asked the wife what she thought about polygamy. She said, "Sure, why not. But what would you do?"

The girl didn't get the point. LOL... :

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by ILG

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leila_%28film%29

An Iranian Movie...made in a culture that accepts polygamous marriages on the tragedy of such.

Leila (film)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
Leila

Directed by Dariush Mehrjui
Produced by Dariush Mehrjui
Written by Dariush Mehrjui, Mahnaz Ansarian
Starring Leila Hatami,
Ali Mosaffa,
Jamileh Sheikhi,
Mohamad Reza Sharifinia,
Turan Mehrzad,
Amir Pievar,
Shaghayegh Farahani,

Release date(s) 1996
Running time 102 minutes
Language Persian
IMDb profile
Leila is an Iranian movie directed by Dariush Mehrjui.


[edit] Plot synopsis
Iranian filmmaker Dariush Mehrjui (Gaav) directed and co-wrote this tale of a woman's dissolving marriage in contemporary Iran. Leila (Leila Hatami) meets her future husband, Reza (Ali Mosaffa), when a friend brings him to a family event. Two months later, they're married, and things seem to be blissful. The middle-class couple has a playful and loving relationship, but their happiness is jeopardized when they discover that Leila cannot bear children. As the couple tries various tests and alternate methods of conception to no avail, Reza continually reassures Leila that it's not important to him to have children -- only to be with her. But Reza is the only male child in his family, and his mother (Jamileh Sheikhi), an old-fashioned woman, is determined for him to have a son to continue the family line. She continually harangues Leila, telling her that Reza desperately wants a child, even if he insists to Leila that he doesn't. Eventually all the pressure from Reza's mother and her own feelings of inadequacy get to Leila, and she agrees to allow Reza to take a second wife who can have his child. As the couple grow more despondent and uncertain as to how to please one another, Reza, unable to assuage Leila's guilt, reluctantly agrees to meet several women his mother has selected as potential second wives. At first, Reza and Leila joke about the unsuitability of the women he's fixed up with, and rediscover some of the joy in their own loving marriage, but eventually their resistance wears down, and they both give in to his mother's wishes. ~ Josh Ralske, All Movie Guide

As pointed out before FLAWED LOGIC! You are comparing apples with oranges. Let's get a documentary of the the spouse abuse in America that has been rampant for year and happens under monogamy! Doesn't mean monogamy is bad! According to your logic it is!