Angels reproducing with humans possible?

[Lafon]

Noting that some have conjectured Satan manifested himself as a serpent, or that other angels manifested themselves as human being, that is to say that invisible, incorporeal angelic beings to whom God endowed with NO creative abilities, transformed themselves into that which is substantive or any other corporeal type of being, seems, to me at least, to be rather far flung. There's just nothing in the Scriptural record to justify such a speculative conclusion!

[Lafon]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Brother Lafon, I deeply respect you and your thoughts on issues. However, I see this as rather sloppy scholarship. Please notice what II Peter 2:4 states:

II Peter 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Please notice, these "angels that sinned" were not spared. God chose to, "cast them down to hell (Tartarus)", and "delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment".

These are confined in Tartarus. The ancients wrote of Tatarus and what it meant according to their understanding. Strong's defines it as:

5020 // tartarow // tartaroo // tar-tar-o'-o //

from Tartaros (the deepest abyss of Hell); v

AV - cast down to hell 1; 1

1) the name of the subterranean region, doleful and dark, regarded by
the ancient Greeks as the abode of the wicked dead, where they suffer
punishment for their evil deeds; it answers to Gehenna of the Jews
2) to thrust down to Tartarus, to hold captive in Tartarus

These angels were cast down to be confined in a spiritual "place" or "plane of existence". Their "chains" may not be physical... but their confinement isn't figurative.

Peter, as God's chosen vessel and writing by inspiration of the Holy Ghost, penned the phrase "cast down to hell" so that it be interpreted figuratively rather than literal, therefore it refers to the eventual fate of these fallen angels.

Again, all this discussion about no-biblical matters represents, as I've previously stated, a disregard of Paul's admonition of I Timothy 1:4. As also previously noted, I acknowledged there will be those who will disagree with my expressed opinions, so I take no offence.

I shall have nothing further to state about this matter.

[Sean]

Guys I dont see demons as "shape shifters" in the Bible, just in the movies these days.

[shazeep]

well, you guys certainly have an interesting interpretation of...Gen3:1 onward; not sure how to reply to this. Was the serpent satan, or not? Assuming a yes, was the serpent corporeal, or not? Assuming a yes...

English Standard Version
the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose.

daughters OF MAN here, where "man" is ha-adam
of men הָֽאָדָ֔ם ha·'a·dam, 120 man, mankind

seems to differentiate the 'sons of God' from humans, or "ha-adam," "from Adam." thoughts?

[Sean]

Lets check it out....

3 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made.....

4 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:...


The serpent was a beast of the field...
The serpent was possessed by Satan to deceive Adam and Eve.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

seems weak, i have to admit. Especially when this heinous sin is put upon them. Now you must needs explain why some fallen angels fell even further, and their connection here. I don't see the point, frankly.

Backsliding, bro. Backsliding.

Any way you slice it, it's far stronger than angels procreating with women. :/ in my opinion.

[mfblume]

Cherubim are representative of people... whether physical creatures or not. Rev 5:9 has them saying Jesus redeemed "us" by His blood. And the banners of the Israelite camps around the tabernacle were of their faces.

They stand for dominion. Lion king of beasts, Ox king of cattle, eagle king of fowl and man, king of them all.

Anyway, great sci-fi here, guys.

[shazeep]

so in that version, why are the angels condemned to Tartarus be introduced? i missed that part.

[Sean]

Tartaros, wheres that?...

(and dont say the ocean, as in tartar sauce...LOL)

[shazeep]

the dungeon under hell?