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12-28-2010, 10:22 PM
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Re: Was it necessary to repeal DADT?
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Originally Posted by Mr. Smith
No, no, no, I never said it was a tough decision. Not at all. It was a very easy decision. When they asked me if I would perform the wedding, I said that I needed time to consider. I never hesitated attending the wedding.
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I thought you said something very similar, but I'd have to dig back through the thread, and I'm not going to.  You said something about feeling uncomfortable.... something like that.
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No, I'm not surprised that people don't jump on the bandwagon when I consider where they're coming from and the lifetime of exclusionary religion.
But when I consider the reality of it all? Yes, it's amazing to me that the very movement that was founded on the efficacious, unconditional love of Jesus Christ, could have produced so many that are so far removed from the core principle of the movement.
As Erwin McManus says, "The greatest enemy to the movement of Jesus Christ, is Christianity."
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I still don't think you're seeing the viewpoint. It's not about being exclusionary. It's just the fact that there is very real sin out there (not just homosexuality), and we have to all work out for ourselves how we interact with those involved, and how we deal with it all on a day to day basis.
You brought up a question a while back - I think it was "Would you drive a friend to a bar?" (something like that) These are ethical/spiritual questions we all have to work out for ourselves.
I understand WHY you made the decision to attend. I would have made a different one. Because to me, no matter what I said, I would feel that I was participating in something that God condemns. I would have felt no differently about attending the ceremony than I would have felt about performing the ceremony.
I could have them over for dinner, help them if they're needy, give them love and counsel when they're hurting. Just because I wouldn't attend the ceremony doesn't mean that I don't understand the unconditional love of God or that I'm removed from the core of the movement.
(And it's statements like the second quote that make people think you think you're just a tad more spiritual than those who disagree with you.  )
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12-28-2010, 10:24 PM
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Re: Was it necessary to repeal DADT?
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Originally Posted by James Griffin
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And.. I refuse to be desensitized to the sin of homosexuality. Before they will repent they must know it is exceedingly sinful. Don't patty cake. If I fellowship pedophiles people just may think I don't have a problem with pedophiles.
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12-28-2010, 10:27 PM
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ultra con (at least here)
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Re: Was it necessary to repeal DADT?
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Notice the father didn't follow his son to the swine pit to show love and support.  |
I have no doubt if the father knew where he was he would have done just that. No doubt resulting in the son returning even sooner than he did. Unconditional love is the most powerful and underutilized weapon for evangelism.
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12-28-2010, 10:29 PM
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Re: Was it necessary to repeal DADT?
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Originally Posted by Azzan
For the record, I can safely say that I would never take Mr Smith's presence at a homosexual wedding as approval of the participant's lifestyle.
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Azzan, if you knew someone loved you dearly, but felt that they couldn't attend your ceremony because of their beliefs, would you take offense to that?
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12-28-2010, 10:29 PM
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Re: Was it necessary to repeal DADT?
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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*
I still don't think you're seeing the viewpoint. It's not about being exclusionary. It's just the fact that there is very real sin out there (not just homosexuality), and we have to all work out for ourselves how we interact with those involved, and how we deal with it all on a day to day basis.
I understand WHY you made the decision to attend. I would have made a different one. Because to me, no matter what I said, I would feel that I was participating in something that God condemns. I would have felt no differently about attending the ceremony than I would have felt about performing the ceremony.
I could have them over for dinner, help them if they're needy, give them love and counsel when they're hurting. Just because I wouldn't attend the ceremony doesn't mean that I don't understand the unconditional love of God or that I'm removed from the core of the movement.
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We are in agreement 110%. The issue isn't that of not loving the sinner. I think there are plenty of oppertunties to show love to the lost and hurting without attending a homosexual "wedding" or an abortion and some of the other scenarios discussed here.
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12-28-2010, 10:31 PM
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ultra con (at least here)
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Re: Was it necessary to repeal DADT?
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Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge
And.. I refuse to be desensitized to the sin of homosexuality. Before they will repent they must know it is exceedingly sinful. Don't patty cake. If I fellowship pedophiles people just may think I don't have a problem with pedophiles.
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So people must repent and change their lifestyle Before they are worthy to be in your presence? Where is that scripture? 2 Rutlege 3:16?
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12-28-2010, 10:31 PM
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Re: Was it necessary to repeal DADT?
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It's not the disagreement for attending that's so difficult...it's the harshness of the condemnation that is do hard to process.
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Yes, I can understand why you feel that way. But I can also understand that some people feel very, very strongly about it.
Like I said, it's a very controversial subject, and therefore it stirs up controversy. Lots of it. Very strong opinions on all sides.
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12-28-2010, 10:32 PM
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Re: Was it necessary to repeal DADT?
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We have not met and I am coming off a long hiatus but you may be happy to know you were the topic on a rather long thread on another forum. ;-)
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PM incoming.
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He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
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12-28-2010, 10:34 PM
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Re: Was it necessary to repeal DADT?
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Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge
And.. I refuse to be desensitized to the sin of homosexuality. Before they will repent they must know it is exceedingly sinful. Don't patty cake. If I fellowship pedophiles people just may think I don't have a problem with pedophiles.
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That is quite a stretch. If you fellowship with a pedophile is quite different than someone that is gay. Pedophilia is against the law. Being homosexual isn't. It's not a sickness that you can catch so why not be friends with them? There would be not other way for you to show them God if you stand across the room and shun them. If they repent would you really fellowship them? Really? I mean I have heard from people with your simliar point of view they wouldn't fellowship them NO WAY, NO HOW. Grace take care of us all-no matter our ills.
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12-28-2010, 10:35 PM
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Re: Was it necessary to repeal DADT?
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Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge
And.. I refuse to be desensitized to the sin of homosexuality. Before they will repent they must know it is exceedingly sinful. Don't patty cake. If I fellowship pedophiles people just may think I don't have a problem with pedophiles.
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33. Ephesians 5:11 (Whole Chapter)
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them
Posted this scripture earlier in the thread, don't think it got much response. Did Paul miss the unconditional love thing? 
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