Can Women Pastor ?

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I think of something I read in Foxes book of Martyrs about The First Persecution, Under Nero, A.D. 67.
“This persecution was general throughout the whole Roman Empire; but it rather increased than diminished the spirit of Christianity.” Studying history of severely persecuted people and countries we find that any Christian witness either man or woman was received well among other Christians. Isn’t it strange how persecution unites people? Another part of Foxes book of Martyrs says ,
"a noble army, men and boys, the matron and the maid," "climbed the steep ascent of heaven, 'mid peril, toil, and pain." The reason they were dying for their faith was the simple fact they were witness of Him who died to set all free. Let me quietly mention a few that signed their calls in their own blood.

The Fifth Persecution, Commencing With Severus, A.D. 192

Perpetua, a married lady, of about twenty-two years. Those who suffered with her were, Felicitas, a married lady, big with child at the time of her being apprehended, and Revocatus, catechumen of Carthage, and a slave. The names of the other prisoners, destined to suffer upon this occasion, were Saturninus, Secundulus, and Satur. On the day appointed for their execution, they were led to the amphitheater. Satur, Saturninus, and Revocatus were ordered to run the gauntlet between the hunters, or such as had the care of the wild beasts. The hunters being drawn up in two ranks, they ran between, and were severely lashed as they passed. Felicitas and Perpetua were stripped, in order to be thrown to a mad bull, which made his first attack upon Perpetua, and stunned her; he then darted at Felicitas, and gored her dreadfully; but not killing them, the executioner did that office with a sword. Revocatus and Satur were destroyed by wild beasts; Saturninus was beheaded; and Secundulus died in prison. These executions were in the 205, on the eighth day of March.

Cecilia, a young lady of good family in Rome, was married to a gentleman named Valerian. She converted her husband and brother, who were beheaded; and the maximus, or officer, who led them to execution, becoming their convert, suffered the same fate. The lady was placed naked in a scalding bath, and having continued there a considerable time, her head was struck off with a sword, A.D. 222
The Eighth Persecution, Under Valerian, A.D. 257

Maxima, Donatilla, and Secunda, three virgins of Tuburga, had gall and vinegar given them to drink, were then severely scourged, tormented on a gibbet, rubbed with lime, scorched on a gridiron, worried by wild beasts, and at length beheaded.
(from Fox's Book of Martyrs)
I just don’t think they were arguing among themselves who could and who couldn’t die for the gospel neither arguing who could speak up for Christ and who could not speak up for Christ.

While this is certainly heartbreaking, how does this invalidate Paul's clear instructions to the NT church, as prompted by God's Spirit?

We should not confuse witnessing to sinners w/ excercising authority over men in a church setting w/ the Authoritiative Word of God via "preaching/teaching". This is flagrant disobedience to God's Word [I Tim. 2, I Cor. 14, etc.].

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

We find ourselves engaged in war. Just as Deborah had no time to waste on those that were not willing to come to the aid of the Lord neither do I waste my time and talents arguing over who may go to war. From the earliest documents of church history we find noble men and women working together for a common cause. I am sure noble women know how to conduct themselves around men for noble women respect men.
The most important task of the church is reaching out to the lost. His last testament last words before returning to heaven were, “go into all the world… teach all nations… pray that laborers would be sent into the harvest…´ Last words are reserved for the most important things. Soul winning was one of the most important task He gave to the church.

What does all of this have to do w/ God-Breathed Scriptural instructions to the Church? And, again, you seem big on supposed Church history, most of which is trinitarian [will you also champion their cause?].

I've observed this over the years w/ women preachers, they invariably ALWAYS appeal outside of the Word of God to "confirm" their doctrine. Why? Because the hot light of Scripture will reveal their flawed theology, thus they have to go somewhere else to "confirm" their doctrine.

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

A group of Branhamite people told me recently that they thought 1Corinthians 14:34 meant a woman couldn’t preach. In Brazil, (I don’t know about in the States) they believe in speaking in tongues, singing, and much more. I asked them if their women received the Holy Ghost. Their answer was yes. I asked them how could they receive the Holy Ghost in silence? Well, of course they didn’t know that answer. Neither do they know a lot other answers to what I classify as a doctrine invented in hell.
Perversion of a woman’s role was surely schemed up by the devil himself. In one of the Branham's books, I read the words that the woman was made to be low, dirty, and vile (Portuguese). Men were to be like one rooster in the chicken pen or one bull among the many cows.
One false doctrine leads to another one. Just as they have no proof that I Corinthians 14:34 means that a woman can’t preach, neither have they any proof or grounds for the serpent seed doctrine.
Tears fill my eyes to see the homes that have split up because of their rib message.
Jeremiah 9:17: "Thus saith the Lord of hosts, consider ye and call for the mourning women, that they come and send for cunning women that they come, and let them make haste, and take up a wailing for us."
Since cunning may be translated "wise" in Hebrew, we understand that Jehovah called upon the wise women to show interest and concern in matters of State (Huldah, II Kings 22:14).

Simply untrue. Their IS Biblical "proof" that I Cor. 14:34 forbids women from preaching in a church setting. You have to look no further than the definition of the term "speak/Lale'o". These people simply have not done their homework, & yes, their "serpent seed " doctrine is nonsense, but ALL false doctrine is wrong, including the doctrine of women preachers in the church.

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Banning women from ministry began with the so called church fathers...it was their quills that degraded women...not the quills of Holy men of OLD...

Wrong, it began w/ the clear writings of Paul to the NT church in the Bible.

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

When I preached for years to the Lepers they did not seem to think me being a woman would take away anything from what I was telling them...The naked cannibal Indians listen to the story of Jesus...killer Indians listened...
The trinitarim pastor and his wife did not mind me baptizing them in the jungle many years ago in a stream full of alligators..they are still faithful to the Lord today...
Many a witch doctor I have won to the Lord ...Not one ever questioned the fact that a woman was telling them about Jesus…

And these were not "in the church," but outside of the church. You were beautifully witnessing to them, Praise Jesus for that!

But this is not the same as "excercising authority over men............in the house of the Lord, which is the church of the living God" [ I Tim. 2 & 3]. Besides, their ignorance of a certain Biblical matter does not mean that it's right. But, witnessing on the streets, or in the jungle is NOT the contexts of Paul's epistles regarding Church order.

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Have to run for now, try to look in 2mmorrow, or maybe later 2night.

[Sister Alvear]

The Authorized King James Version is an English translation of the Christian Bible begun in 1604 and completed in 1611 by the Church of England.[3] Printed by the King's Printer, Robert Barker,[4] the first edition included schedules unique to the Church of England; for example, a lectionary for morning and evening prayer.[5] This was the third such official translation into English; the first having been the Great Bible commissioned by the Church of England in the reign of King Henry VIII, and the second having been the Bishop's Bible of 1568.[6] In January 1604, King James I of England convened the Hampton Court Conference where a new English version was conceived in response to the perceived problems of the earlier translations as detected by the Puritans, a faction within the Church of England.[7]

James gave the translators instructions intended to guarantee that the new version would conform to the ecclesiology and reflect the episcopal structure of the Church of England and its beliefs about an ordained clergy. The translation was by 47 scholars, all of whom were members of the Church of England.


DOESN´T SOUND LIKE THEY WERE ONENESS PENTECOSTAL...

[Sister Alvear]

Your problem seems to be in a church building...

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The Hebrew word helpmeet means, the exact counterpart of himself, or the exact formulation of the other...

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The Bible tells about women used in leadership and their proclamation of faith. There have always been women who transcended the boundaries that their society placed upon them. There have always been women whose faith motivated them to acts of courage and to powerful ministries that made them known and felt. These stories teach us undeniable truth.