IF Res 4 Does NOT Pass??

[ChicagoPastor]

Originally Posted by UltraCon

Maybe you should get your manual out and read over the articles of faith. After doing that you need to call up your Super Int and tell you need to turn in your card because you no longer can follow the manual.

When you get Headquarters to stop ACCEPTING my affirmation statement that I sign "WITH EXCEPTION", I'll call my supt and turn in my license........

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Matt started it!

I just asked a simple question. But maybe they will ban me so I can go fishing. I guess i can do that "sport" since I don't sign an AS.


hehehehehe!!!!!

Originally Posted by aliveinhim

I would have to say that you are right on this one. You are obviously talking to Bubba and Marcel in some place they are pumping sunshine to. Or you live in either CA or KS.

There's no lack of real sunshine where i'm at and I know lots of young conservative preachers. In fact there are a bunch of them in our church. Imagine that, young men living for God and preaching truth, winning souls and doing it without TV. I'm willing to bet our church is just as conservative or more conservative than anyones else's on this forum and we've grown 400% in three years. TV may work to bring a crowd but we're not after the crowd, we want a church.

Originally Posted by aliveinhim

I would have to say that you are right on this one. You are obviously talking to Bubba and Marcel in some place they are pumping sunshine to. Or you live in either CA or KS.

If you really knew where I lived you would probably be shocked. But I've been all over the country.

Originally Posted by Salt&Light

Do they read the Bible, I know lots of young people who have it in their hearts and not just their heads. They know exactly why they do it. Many of them were not raised in church, and do it not becase someone makes them but because its a God thing.

yes, they read the Bible...

how's this, yes, I read the Bible...

I study the Bible... I study Greek and Hebrew and am called to the ministry...

And I don't see anything in the Bible that gives us a reason to preach against women wearing pants...

I see nothing in the Bible to give us a reason to ban television because of the portion of programming that is bad when some/much of it is good, and some/much of it is neutral...

I see nothing in the Bible that gives us a reason to ban piercings or tattoos...

I see nothing in the Bible that gives us a reason to outright ban makeup...

I see nothing in the Bible that gives us this super short/uncut dichotomy that we have regarding hair... I see Paul speaking of opposites/difference between genders and those aren't opposites... PLUS I don't see women who lose thier hair/have short hair wearing veils, so its not like we follow it anyways....

but, yes, keep on telling yourself anyone who disagrees with you doesn't know God and doesn't read the Bible and is just an evil evil sinner who you can just ignore...

Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

When you get Headquarters to stop ACCEPTING my affirmation statement that I sign "WITH EXCEPTION", I'll call my supt and turn in my license........

Well if your lying on the AS, that's between you and God.

Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

When you get Headquarters to stop ACCEPTING my affirmation statement that I sign "WITH EXCEPTION", I'll call my supt and turn in my license........

They won't stop accepting it until you stop sending the $$$$:sshhh

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Hello.............


If the Men elected allow it to pass, then it is the ORG itself that has a fault. But to call men liars that state that they do not agree with it, and then sign their name, is faulty logic.

And you seem to be unread in the Manual anyway, as the Manual does not prohibit a TV if it is being used for video purposes. Would youlike me to post the bylaw here??? HELLO!!!!!!!!!...................

Bro. you are wrong on this. The manual prohibits just that, a television set. However, it does not prohibit a giant LCD screen or a projector that is fed with cable or satellite hook up.

When the TV issue was passed there was no cable. I would dare say that 80 to 90% of our ministers are in violation of the manual because they have a TV set they use for a monitor.

Originally Posted by UltraCon

There's no lack of real sunshine where i'm at and I know lots of young conservative preachers. In fact there are a bunch of them in our church. Imagine that, young men living for God and preaching truth, winning souls and doing it without TV. I'm willing to bet our church is just as conservative or more conservative than anyones else's on this forum and we've grown 400% in three years. TV may work to bring a crowd but we're not after the crowd, we want a church.

why do you assume you can't have both???

And... everyone in the UPC is reaching people without TV, even the people who want to be able to use it....

Imagine if Jesus had wanted "a church and not a crowd"... He only had 500 following him at the end of his ministry, but he routinely preached to thousands (and possibly tens of thousands depending on what "five thousand men" meant)... But, hey, who wants to be like Jesus, right?

Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84

yes, they read the Bible...

how's this, yes, I read the Bible...

I study the Bible... I study Greek and Hebrew and am called to the ministry...

And I don't see anything in the Bible that gives us a reason to preach against women wearing pants...

I see nothing in the Bible to give us a reason to ban television because of the portion of programming that is bad when some/much of it is good, and some/much of it is neutral...

I see nothing in the Bible that gives us a reason to ban piercings or tattoos...

I see nothing in the Bible that gives us a reason to outright ban makeup...

I see nothing in the Bible that gives us this super short/uncut dichotomy that we have regarding hair... I see Paul speaking of opposites/difference between genders and those aren't opposites... PLUS I don't see women who lose thier hair/have short hair wearing veils, so its not like we follow it anyways....

but, yes, keep on telling yourself anyone who disagrees with you doesn't know God and doesn't read the Bible and is just an evil evil sinner who you can just ignore...

There is just no talking to some people. If you don't see it then what in the world do you believe. I've studied Greek as well and know many great men who have and have gleaned the opposite of what you have just stated.