Calling all PAJCers: When does Justification and Remission Happen?

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

When does this justification happen ... still unclear ... at repentance, after water baptism ... after the baptism of the HG or beyond???

I personally believe that we are justified at baptism, because this is where sins are remitted.



From Acts 2:38.....

Remission - aphesis {af'-es-is}


1) release from bondage or imprisonment

2) forgiveness or pardon, of sins (letting them go as if they had never been committed), remission of the penalty

[SDG]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I personally believe that we are justified at baptism, because this is where sins are remitted.



From Acts 2:38.....

Remission - aphesis {af'-es-is}


1) release from bondage or imprisonment

2) forgiveness or pardon, of sins (letting them go as if they had never been committed), remission of the penalty

Hey Elder Epley .. you have a disciple ... MATT'S AN EPLEYIAN PAJCer ... congratulations ... Matt ...

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

I don't claim to be infallible, but I don't think I know of any other group that believes that "justification" does NOT equal salvation than Oneness Pentecostals.

It is amazing that some groups can change the definition of biblical words.

Please explain this verse then. It sure does sound like you can be justified, and yet be not saved.


Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Hey Elder Epley .. you have a disciple ... MATT'S AN EPLEYIAN PAJCer ... congratulations ... Matt ...

I just believe what the bible says.

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

You are absolutely right MOW ... but it's because it would have to fit their doctrine of remission at baptism ...that's where their house of cards is weakest.

I guess it goes to the old:


I have been saved
I am saved
I am being saved


The question is, when is someone "rapture ready?"

This is the most foundational question a sinner can ask. Why is there not an answer we can give them?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

I guess it goes to the old:


I have been saved
I am saved
I am being saved


The question is, when is someone "rapture ready?"

This is the most foundational question a sinner can ask. Why is there not an answer we can give them?

I believe that MOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am rapture ready right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SDG]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I just believe what the bible says.

Hear that CS ... you don't believe the bible ... cause as a BERNARDIAN PAJCer you don't hold the EPLYIAN VIEW.

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Please explain this verse then. It sure does sound like you can be justified, and yet be not saved.


Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

We are NOW justified by His blood and because of that we will be spared from wrath. At least that's my take.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I believe that MOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am rapture ready right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is someone one rapture ready at repentance ... ie ... they repent ... and the trumpet blows ????

[SDG]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

We are NOW justified by His blood and because of that we will be spared from wrath. At least that's my take.

sounds solid to me ... but I think it could be harmonized w/ other scriptures.