the King James Version

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Brother, this is NOT CONDONING RAPE OF A SLAVE!!!! It is saying that if she is raped she is punished as is the rapist.

So she gets it twice???? Raped then punished??

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

I guess I just think too black and white.... to me if it was preserved, there would only be one version and no question as to what should and should not be in it, and each scripture would not be able to be interpreted 15 different ways.

Why? There is a devil.

Think of it this way. If there are genuine $50 bills in the world that does not prohibit there from being counterfeit $50.00 bills. God preserved his word, but he left the devil in the world as well as temptations and so on. Just because there are alternative versions of the New Testament in existence, does not mean God is not preserving His word. Otherwise, by the same token He would not allow satan to so much as exist!

He leads those who desire His will. They will be fine. This involves a matter of FAITH, Sheltiedad. FAITH will be involved in anything to do with God. It is never black and white, or there would be no faith. God has arranged things so that people can run with an excuse if they want one, or can be led by the Spirit providentially to know the truth. God does things in no other way.

I just find a lot of the stuff in the Old Testament appalling (and yes I understand that their culture would seem barbaric to us).

I also wish to note that we often misunderstand what the texts actually say when we read them. We nneed more reesearch into the issue, and try to have some faith and give God the benefit of the doubt while we study.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

So she gets it twice???? Raped then punished??

Brotehr! (I am somewhat amazed at some remarks here about the Bible. Wow).

You guys shock me, sometimes.

The issue regards whose word is correct. Who knows what actually happened in a case where one accuses this or the other? That is the state in which the laws regarding cities of refuge had to work. Men who knew only so much could noy deal so far with issues to ensure fairness. They could not read minds, you know. So laws of God deal with that in mind.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

So she gets it twice???? Raped then punished??

Sounds to me that neither gets punished

Lev 19:20 "If a man lies sexually with a woman who is a slave, assigned to another man and not yet ransomed or given her freedom, a distinction shall be made. They shall not be put to death, because she was not free;

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Sounds to me that neither gets punished

Lev 19:20 "If a man lies sexually with a woman who is a slave, assigned to another man and not yet ransomed or given her freedom, a distinction shall be made. They shall not be put to death, because she was not free;

Incorrect.

Lev 19:20 KJV And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that is a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom given her; she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death, because she was not free.

But this is not speaking of a rape, by the way. It simply speaks of fornication.

Who said this was a rape????

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

So she gets it twice???? Raped then punished??

Also this verse does not say she was raped

[Praxeas]

Deu 22:25 "But if in the open country a man meets a young woman who is betrothed, and the man seizes her and lies with her, then only the man who lay with her shall die.
Deu 22:26 But you shall do nothing to the young woman; she has committed no offense punishable by death. For this case is like that of a man attacking and murdering his neighbor,
Deu 22:27 because he met her in the open country, and though the betrothed young woman cried for help there was no one to rescue her.
Deu 22:28 "If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found,
Deu 22:29 then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days.
Deu 22:30 "A man shall not take his father's wife, so that he does not uncover his father's nakedness.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Also this verse does not say she was raped

Just what I noticed!

[berkeley]

20And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that is a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom given her; she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death, because she was not free.

21And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the LORD, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, even a ram for a trespass offering.

22And the priest shall make an atonement for him with the ram of the trespass offering before the LORD for his sin which he hath done: and the sin which he hath done shall be forgiven him.

she gets scourged... no one is put to death... he brings a trespass offering... He isn't scourged...

make way for the femi-nazis....

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Deu 22:25 "But if in the open country a man meets a young woman who is betrothed, and the man seizes her and lies with her, then only the man who lay with her shall die.
Deu 22:26 But you shall do nothing to the young woman; she has committed no offense punishable by death. For this case is like that of a man attacking and murdering his neighbor,
Deu 22:27 because he met her in the open country, and though the betrothed young woman cried for help there was no one to rescue her.
Deu 22:28 "If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found,
Deu 22:29 then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days.
Deu 22:30 "A man shall not take his father's wife, so that he does not uncover his father's nakedness.

Exactly.