Did Christians and Apostolics Convert Nazis?

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Monterrey

DB, I also serve in an army, one greater than the US. I belong to a greater nation, one that will still be around when the US has passed away.

God is judging America right now and the judgment will continue until repentance. We need repentance not more war.

I dont argue with that. The USA isn't eternal. But God has blessed us and continues to do so. His judgment is being held in my opinion because of the church and because of our blessing of Israel (of course this will open a can of worms). We cannot continue to rebel against God and His Word without consequence, and some consequences are already in motion. But it's more about playing with fire and getting burned than it is God's heavy hand against us.

I would say satan is wreaking havoc. He is the god of this world. He is in control. Demon possessed and devil influenced people are all over the world doing awful things to other people.

When God judges, it will be final and there won't be any question where the chastisement is coming from.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

For the simple:

Nazis = evil

Jihadists = evil

It was right to eradicate Nazism.

It is right to eradicate Jihadists.

You cannot reconcile with evil. They want to eradicate you. They want to annihilate you. They want to destroy you. The Nazis followed an ideology that could not coexist with freedom loving, peace loving people. Freedom loving, peace loving people had to do whatever it took to stop the murderous and barbaric Nazis.

The Jihadists want to essentially do the same ultimately. Different ideologies, different motives, but the same conclusion.

You spoiled Americans...you have the convenience to sit around with your wild and melodramatic conspiracies and revisions of history! Hundreds of thousands of American heroes have paid the price against evil to allow you the luxury of your fantasies!

Go on with your goofy logic. There are plenty of brave men like my son and JD and others who will defend you, your wives, and kids. They will fight the evil. They will, should we get a commander in chief with a backbone any time soon, defeat the evil. And your lives will remain comfortable and peaceful and prosperous because they were willing to lay their lives on the line.

Okay kids---back to your silly little game of Stratego.

Stalin and his party were many more times evil than the Nazis but we chose to prop them up. Has that fact never bothered you or caused you to dig a little deeper past the over simplified version of history we are taught?

[shazeep]

no kidding

[Fionn mac Cumh]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Stalin and his party were many more times evil than the Nazis but we chose to prop them up. Has that fact never bothered you or caused you to dig a little deeper past the over simplified version of history we are taught?

And we didnt learn anything from our past! We are propping up and tearing down leaders all the time in the middle east. Assad, Gaddaffi, and Sadam all gone. Guess who stepped in? Isis and others!!!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

I don't argue with that. The USA isn't eternal. But God has blessed us and continues to do so.

The Puritan, John Winthrop, governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, drew upon the Bible to describe the early New England settlers: “We shall be as a City upon a hill, the eyes of all people upon us.” But Winthrop qualified it by cautioning that “if we shall deal falsely with our God in this work we have undertaken, and so cause him to withdraw his present help from us, we shall be made a story and a byword throughout the world.”

If John Winthrop was to walk through the streets of Boston tonight he would cringe in horror. If he was taken to the South Bronx, or Miami or Compton, he would pronounce judgement upon this nation.

Yet, during his own time, New England went through the horrors of King Philip's war, where converted Christian Indians were wiped out, and Indian chief, King Philip after his murder would have his severed head sat on a pole at Plymouth Colony Fort to be displayed for 25 years.

Yet, we now have homosexuals marrying each other, making a mockery out of marriage. Bruce Jenner dressed as a woman being placed on the cover of a national magazine. Pronography making over 10 billion dollars in this country, young people being corrupted by its accessibility. young people so confused about their own gender, suicide among teens climb, drugs are out of control. Homeless in our country unprecedented, a government that has lost its ever loving mind, and atheism in the media something which is praised?

But DB, go ahead tell me how blessed with are, tell me how we are more blessed than Canada?

Originally Posted by deacon blues

His judgment is being held in my opinion because of the church

Opinions are fine, but sadly they are just opinions.

But which church? I think there is something like 200 denominations in the United States? Yet, DB, the largest group in the United States are the Roman Catholics at 69.4 million members.

Originally Posted by deacon blues

and because of our blessing of Israel (of course this will open a can of worms).

But DB, 50% of the Israelis who are ethnically born Jewish, claim to be secular. Those who are religious are Rabbinical Jews, curse Jesus Christ?

Or should I say vehemently disagree that Jesus was in anyway a Messiah, or God, and that Christians are Idol worshippers because they believe we worship an image of a man. So, that would make them Antichrist? So, let me get this straight, God blesses America not because they worship Jesus Christ alone, but we get some sort of extra perks if we bless Atheists and Antichrists? You don't see a problem with that?

Originally Posted by deacon blues

We cannot continue to rebel against God and His Word without consequence, and some consequences are already in motion. But it's more about playing with fire and getting burned than it is God's heavy hand against us.

When you say "we" who is the "we" the "church?" Or the "United States?"

DB, I think the United States is off the chain bro, and she is getting more flipped out by the day.

Originally Posted by deacon blues

I would say satan is wreaking havoc. He is the god of this world. He is in control. Demon possessed and devil influenced people are all over the world doing awful things to other people.

But you posted "God has blessed us and continues to do so", and now you post the devil is in control and continues to kick our tail ends? He ain't god of my world.

Originally Posted by deacon blues

When God judges, it will be final and there won't be any question where the chastisement is coming from.

I totally agree with that, and when he is done with the foolishness of the braggadocious self praising country which believes it's the apple of His eye, there won't be anything left but a greasy spot. It was the publican who beat his chest and asked forgiveness, not the Pharisee who thought he was so wonderful and told God so. America needs to repent, and renounce its filth.
We can kiss Israel's feet, day in and day out, and the situation in our country won't improve. But if the people repent, and convert through Jesus name, then and only then will you see a change.

Oh, here is an Israeli Rabbi, one of the ones we are blessed by because we bless him.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

For the simple:

Nazis = evil

Jihadists = evil

It was right to eradicate Nazism.

It is right to eradicate Jihadists.

You cannot reconcile with evil. They want to eradicate you. They want to annihilate you. They want to destroy you. The Nazis followed an ideology that could not coexist with freedom loving, peace loving people. Freedom loving, peace loving people had to do whatever it took to stop the murderous and barbaric Nazis.

The Jihadists want to essentially do the same ultimately. Different ideologies, different motives, but the same conclusion.

You spoiled Americans...you have the convenience to sit around with your wild and melodramatic conspiracies and revisions of history! Hundreds of thousands of American heroes have paid the price against evil to allow you the luxury of your fantasies!

Go on with your goofy logic. There are plenty of brave men like my son and JD and others who will defend you, your wives, and kids. They will fight the evil. They will, should we get a commander in chief with a backbone any time soon, defeat the evil. And your lives will remain comfortable and peaceful and prosperous because they were willing to lay their lives on the line.

Okay kids---back to your silly little game of Stratego.

DB?

In which denomination do you minister?

Are you Presbyterian?

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Stalin and his party were many more times evil than the Nazis but we chose to prop them up. Has that fact never bothered you or caused you to dig a little deeper past the over simplified version of history we are taught?

I wouldn't say he was many more times as evil. He was equally evil. But the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Hitler had to be stopped. His goal was world domination. It took the Russian Front to guarantee Hitler would be defeated. The Germans were more technologically advanced and not far from an atomic weapon. General Patton wanted to keep fighting after the fall of Berlin and run the Russians out of Europe. But there was no stomach for continuing the World War. Tens of millions dead, ending the conflict was necessary. The Cold War ensued and we ended up winning that too, with much less loss of life than a full scale war. It worked out in the end.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

I wouldn't say he was many more times as evil. He was equally evil.

But the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Hitler had to be stopped. His goal was world domination. It took the Russian Front to guarantee Hitler would be defeated. The Germans were more technologically advanced and not far from an atomic weapon. General Patton wanted to keep fighting after the fall of Berlin and run the Russians out of Europe. But there was no stomach for continuing the World War. Tens of millions dead, ending the conflict was necessary. The Cold War ensued and we ended up winning that too, with much less loss of life than a full scale war. It worked out in the end.

What irony?

You would choose to use an ancient Arab proverb.

Good grief.

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

What irony?

You would choose to use an ancient Arab proverb.

Good grief.

Not all Arabs are Muslims. Xenophobe.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Your rantings are those of a spoiled, comfortable, privileged, unappreciative child. You have the liberty for such views and the freedom to stand on the street corner and shout them out loud---or spread them all over the Internet. Those that serve you don't need your gratitude. They serve a higher calling and they are okay with that.

You have NO IDEA what you are talking about nor who you are talking to.

I would like you to answer me and tell me how it is that a military under the control of Christ-hating, God defying satanists, communists, closet sodomites, false prophet worshippers, and fools/atheists, is 'defending my liberties'?

Hey, how about this? The Founding Fathers pretty much believed your standing army was THE BANE OF FREEDOM. Which is why they declared thus:

'A well regulated MILITIA being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.'

This nation was founded on a principle that freedom is secured by a well trained, well equipped, well disciplined and armed CIVILIAN population.

Hey, listen to James Madison:

In time of actual war, great discretionary powers are constantly given to the Executive Magistrate. Constant apprehension of War, has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force, with an overgrown Executive will not long be safe companions to liberty. The means of defence against foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home. Among the Romans it was a standing maxim to excite a war, whenever a revolt was apprehended. Throughout all Europe, the armies kept up under the pretext of defending, have enslaved the people.

Yeah, you go girl! lol Go get 'um! Git er done! Hot diggity dawg! Drone striking a hospital run by Doctors Without Borders and killing a bunch of already wounded people including kids etc is really keeping the evil at bay back home, eh?

Oh wait, the country seems to be circling the drain of tyranny as we speak... looks like our boys in service HAVE FAILED TO HONOUR THEIR OATHS.

Whoa, did he say that?

YES I DID and I will SAY IT AGAIN: The men and women in service have FAILED TO HONOUR THEIR OATH to defend the CONSTITUTION against ALL enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC.

Hey, there's a COMMUNIST IN THE WHITE HOUSE, donchaknow? Who's a greater threat to your and my liberties? Some Mooslim in the desert over there? Some group of radical Islamists being run by Mossad, CIA, FSB, PLA, or some other government spook outfit?

Or Comrade Duh Fuhrer Osamabamadingdong's handlers back home, right here, in the greatest country in the world (watch it going down in flames every night on CNN).

I'll believe your nonsense when I see the Marines surround DC and arrest every stinking traitor therein for treason.

Oh, and BTW, I associate quite a bit with combat vets. And you know what? I haven't found a SINGLE ONE who disagrees with me.

Love ya, bro, but you need to wake up.

Jesus is the answer. And guess what? Jesus is a KING, with a LAW, running a GOVERNMENT, that has more legitimacy than anything this world has seen in 2000 years. Repentance isn't having a good cry at the altar. It's called 'return to OBEDIENCE'. Which, uh, commies don't like... for a reason...

Caesar don't care where you go when you die, but he sho nuff do care about who you gonna SERVE.