Changing To Preterism from Rapture Doctrine

[Rudy]

I stepped away from all of the endtime stuff and became neutral. Reason--> the whole Jewish thing seems to be weak. God's chosen people because of a bloodline?? After all of the inter-breeding over 2000 years? Judaism being an anti-Christ religion.

Jesus fulfilled the law and destroyed a religious system that became corrupt. Now he is suppose to come back and do it again??


BUT -- a country called Israel -- globalism -- a numbering system upon us -- an apostate religious body -- no peace on earth -- the slaughter of children -- catastrophic wars -- perversion of natural law -- I don't see things getting better.

There are other things to list pro and con for both camps--enough for now.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Rudy

I stepped away from all of the endtime stuff and became neutral. Reason--> the whole Jewish thing seems to be weak. God's chosen people because of a bloodline?? After all of the inter-breeding over 2000 years? Judaism being an anti-Christ religion.

Jesus fulfilled the law and destroyed a religious system that became corrupt. Now he is suppose to come back and do it again??


BUT -- a country called Israel -- globalism -- a numbering system upon us -- an apostate religious body -- no peace on earth -- the slaughter of children -- catastrophic wars -- perversion of natural law -- I don't see things getting better.

There are other things to list pro and con for both camps--enough for now.

You are not far from the truth

[good samaritan]

I have noticed that history repeats itself and prophecy seem to re-occur. We sometimes may be splitting hairs and both sides may be right. I personally believe the church is the kingdom of God. I think there probably is some prophetical significance to the present existence of a national Israel. I think we may find that both sides are right in some ways.

I was recently noticing Abraham's decent in Egypt and the capture of Sarai was very similar to the slavery and Exodus of Israel in Egypt. It seems that many events are carried out more than once. It is possible that AD 70 prophecy fulfillment, and later days prophecy fulfillment will be correct.

Futurists aren't gloomy because of prophecy, but is because conditions of life. We are seeing wickedness on a scale in the U.S. that the prior generations have not experienced, namely, homosexuality. "be not deceived God is not mocked whatsoever a man soweth that shall he also reap". Judgment is future as it has also been past. I hope we can all agree on the resurrection and catching up of the Church, and the destruction of the wicked and unbelieving.

If we are all honest, none of us really know.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

If we are all honest, none of us really know.

I disagree, not because I think I know it all, but because God's word contains the issue and it is not something we are not meant to know. The idea we can never know is severely severely wrong, I believe.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I disagree, not because I think I know it all, but because God's word contains the issue and it is not something we are not meant to know. The idea we can never know is severely severely wrong, I believe.

Your last phrase is my point. I do enjoy your ensights Bro. Blume and I consider you a scholarly brother in the Lord, but until we receive our resurrected bodies I don't know how we can validate many of our claims.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

Your last phrase is my point. I do enjoy your ensights Bro. Blume and I consider you a scholarly brother in the Lord, but until we receive our resurrected bodies I don't know how we can validate many of our claims.

That is not logical, though, because that would mean the Lord spends about an entire third of the Bible in prophecy that He does not expect us to know. It goes against the very sense of giving us the Word. You are incorrect here. And I say "I believe" to enforce the thought that I do not think I know it all and to always reserve openness in my heart, but not to indicate we cannot know.

I think your conclusion here is due to either not seeking the time it takes to study the issue, due to it's huge part of the bible, or to try and maintain it doesn't matter since you know people whom you do not want to offend who are strong futurists... I believe.

[good samaritan]

Jesus is fulfillment. All the scripture is given to lead us to Christ not for us have a complete lay out of future world events up to the future Resurrection. No man will have all knowledge, but I am not using that as an excuse not to study. We do find truths in studying the word of God, not to mention it is enjoyable.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

Jesus is fulfillment. All the scripture is given to lead us to Christ not for us have a complete lay out of future world events up to the future Resurrection. No man will have all knowledge, but I am not using that as an excuse not to study. We do find truths in studying the word of God, not to mention it is enjoyable.

It is enjoyable. Now you just have to adjust the idea we cannot know prophecy correctly.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Rudy

I stepped away from all of the endtime stuff and became neutral. Reason--> the whole Jewish thing seems to be weak. God's chosen people because of a bloodline?? After all of the inter-breeding over 2000 years? Judaism being an anti-Christ religion.

Rudy, there were converted Gentile/Jews in the times of the O.T.....a whole book was even dedicated to the theme.
It is not about the bloodline, but about the O.T. religion......
Ruth is symbolic of the church, as she is the gentile bride, yet is related to Boaz by marriage. Boaz is symbolic of Jesus Christ, our Messiah. The Nearer kinsman.....https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...04819420,d.cGc

Jesus fulfilled the law and destroyed a religious system that became corrupt. Now he is suppose to come back and do it again??

He made CHANGES in the priesthood and the Law, He did not not destroy it....
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.




BUT -- a country called Israel -- globalism -- a numbering system upon us -- an apostate religious body -- no peace on earth -- the slaughter of children -- catastrophic wars -- perversion of natural law -- I don't see things getting better.



Of course they are not getting better....preterists claim they are, and they have their heads buried in the sand, big time.

There are other things to list pro and con for both camps--enough for now.

Keep looking for the 2nd coming of our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ, brother. Let no man steal your crown.

[shazeep]

see that the kingdom is right beside you, right now--don't let anyone steal your crown!