Islam: A Religion of Lies...

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'm talking about the sanctioning of outright lying. Yes, God did give ancient Israel stringent laws that included the death penalty. However, the God of the Bible has established various covenants. In Islam, God is very much still back on the bronze age with His approach to man.

Where in the bible does it say lying is unacceptable?

Here?

And the king of Egypt called for the midwives, and said unto them, Why have ye done this thing, and have saved the men-children alive? And the midwives said unto Pharaoh, Because the Hebrew women are not as the Egyptian women; for they are lively, and are delivered ere the midwives come in unto them. Therefore God dealt well with the midwives.

God rewarded lying in this case

Here?

And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the Lord, and said, I will persuade him ... I will go forth and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him and prevail also; go forth and do so.

Again, approved and rewarded

Here?

And Elisha said unto him, go, say unto him, Thou mayest certainly recover: howbeit the Lord hath showed me that he shall surely die.

Was God displeased with this lie?

Here?

Was not Rahab, the harlot, justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?.

Another lie, approved and rewarded

Does God lie?

For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.

And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.

What's this? God commands a lie

"And it came to pass when I was come near to enter into Egypt, the Lord said unto me: Behold, Sarai, thy wife, is a very fair woman to look upon; Therefore it shall come to pass, when the Egyptians shall see her, they will say-She is his wife; and they will kill you, but they will save her alive; therefore see that ye do on this wise: Let her say unto the Egyptians, she is thy sister, and thy soul shall live

Do you want to revisit your first post and put what you said beside what your own bible says is acceptable or not acceptable?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Here?

And Elisha said unto him, go, say unto him, Thou mayest certainly recover: howbeit the Lord hath showed me that he shall surely die.

Was God displeased with this lie?

Here?

Out of context again!

2 Kings 8:10

Thou mayest certainly recover: howbeit the Lord hath showed me that he shall surely die - That is, God has not determined thy death, nor will it be a necessary consequence of the disease by which thou art now afflicted; but this wicked man will abuse the power and trust thou hast reposed in him, and take away thy life. Even when God has not designed nor appointed the death of a person, he may nevertheless die, though not without the permission of God. This is a farther proof of the doctrine of contingent events: he might live for all his sickness, but thou wilt put an end to his life.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Where in the bible does it say lying is unacceptable?

Here?

And the king of Egypt called for the midwives, and said unto them, Why have ye done this thing, and have saved the men-children alive? And the midwives said unto Pharaoh, Because the Hebrew women are not as the Egyptian women; for they are lively, and are delivered ere the midwives come in unto them. Therefore God dealt well with the midwives.

God rewarded lying in this case

More from Adam Clarke

I have entered more particularly into this subject because, through want of proper information, (perhaps from a worse motive), certain persons have spoken very unguardedly against this inspired record: “The Hebrew midwives told palpable lies, and God commends them for it; thus we may do evil that good may come of it, and sanctify the means by the end.” Now I contend that there was neither lie direct nor even prevarication in the case. The midwives boldly state to Pharaoh a fact, (had it not been so, he had a thousand means of ascertaining the truth), and they state it in such a way as to bring conviction to his mind on the subject of his oppressive cruelty on the one hand, and the mercy of Jehovah on the other. As if they had said, “The very oppression under which, through thy cruelty, the Israelites groan, their God has turned to their advantage; they are not only fruitful, but they bring forth with comparatively no trouble; we have scarcely any employment among them.” Here then is a fact, boldly announced in the face of danger; and we see that God was pleased with this frankness of the midwives, and he blessed them for it.

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Here?

And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the Lord, and said, I will persuade him ... I will go forth and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him and prevail also; go forth and do so.

Again, approved and rewarded

Sending a lying spirit is not condoning lying. lol. God simply said the lying spirit would cause the prophets to lie. It was a final step after a man had every chance in to the world to get right and follow God.

Next!

[mfblume]

Here?

Was not Rahab, the harlot, justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?.

Another lie, approved and rewarded

Does God lie?

That was not overlooked by God. It was a lie. God did not reward her for lying. Her justification was not in lying. lol

[mfblume]

Does God lie?

For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.

And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.

You miss the manner of speaking. God allows spirits to do things -- even evil spirits, when His will cannot be done by the person's volition. So it speaks as though God did it , when he actually suffered it to occur.

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Where in the bible does it say lying is unacceptable?

Here.

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Did I write the bible, Tim? What is it? Do you agree with God or with the God of the Bible? IS God the God of the Bible? Please tell us, omniscient one. Am I the God of the Bible? You believe I was wrong when your brother died? I am saddened by your loss. Please understand me. But was I the blame? Not the God of the Bible? Or what is it about the God of the bible you are trying to say?

What's wrong with you?

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I agree with what Adam Clarke said about the deaths of babies.

Kill every male among the little ones - For this action I account simply on the principle that God, who is the author and supporter of life, has a right to dispose of it when and how he thinks proper; and the Judge of all the earth can do nothing but what is right. Of the women killed on this occasion it may be safely said, their lives were forfeited by their personal transgressions; and yet even in this case there can be little doubt that God showed mercy to their souls. The little ones were safely lodged; they were taken to heaven and saved from the evil to come.

So the adults deserved to be killed?

And the "little ones" were better off because they were killed?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Timmy

What's wrong with you?

That's what we're trying to figure out about you. Why you spend so much time trying to refute the bible. It's like an OCD mission of some sort.