The problem with the UPCI - Page 6

Esaias · #51 09-19-2013, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Unity to organize an organization? I'd say what it was at the merger

Or are you speaking of a line we draw to snub others?

Prax, you know I am not asking 'how can we find an opportunity to snub others?'

bishoph · #52 09-19-2013, 09:06 AM

Many left because they did not want the UPCI to control them. They wanted freedom from the organizations rules....etc. The irony is that even though they left.....the organization still controls them.....they are driven by their disdain for the machine and the mechanics who maintain it......it controls their thoughts, actions, and direction......let it go and move on.....if not the very thing you are trying to destroy will destroy you.

In the end, when you are dead, will they be able to say you accomplished great things for the cause of Christ, or will they say he/she sure spent a lot of time hashing/rehashing the org they used to be in.

Esaias · #53 09-19-2013, 09:14 AM

Just want to make it clear - this is not a 'bash the UPC' thread. I do believe there was a problem, that has persisted today, and is the root of the 'issues' that keep coming up - and that is the basis for unity allowed serious doctrinal differences. Looking at the merger, I cannot help but wonder how they didn't see this coming?

Jermyn Davidson · #54 09-19-2013, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Just want to make it clear - this is not a 'bash the UPC' thread. I do believe there was a problem, that has persisted today, and is the root of the 'issues' that keep coming up - and that is the basis for unity allowed serious doctrinal differences. Looking at the merger, I cannot help but wonder how they didn't see this coming?

They didn't see this coming because they never thought the day would come when a bunch Jesus-Name Pentecostals would choose to devour each other instead of choosing to love and encourage each other.

There wasn't a "growing doctrinal difference" between the two camps. There was a growing desire to no longer be united and people have been using all sorts of religious excuses to justify their sinful attitudes towards people that for YEARS were considered to be their brothers and sisters in the Lord.

Esaias · #55 09-19-2013, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

They didn't see this coming because they never thought the day would come when a bunch Jesus-Name Pentecostals would choose to devour each other instead of choosing to love and encourage each other.

There wasn't a "growing doctrinal difference" between the two camps. There was a growing desire to no longer be united and people have been using all sorts of religious excuses to justify their sinful attitudes towards people that for YEARS were considered to be their brothers and sisters in the Lord.

You say there wasn't a 'growing doctrinal difference between the two camps' but I can see it plain as day. AFF is in fact a sort of microcosm of that schism.

If two groups differ on the nature and mechanisms of salvation, how can they stay in unity for long?

On the other hand, I do find it interesting that people who suppoedly are willing to 'agree to disagree' on the subject of salvation are willing to to split over the subject of television.

Ferd · #56 09-19-2013, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by kclee4jc

Bro Marlor speaks very highly of George Glass. I know I saw a message by him the other day on either Apostolic Vault or Apostolic Classics. I'll have to try to listen to it.

I dont care which one it was, you will be blessed.

but if you can find "He has exaulted his WORD above his NAME", you and everyone owes it to themselves to listen to that one.

it is truely amazing and in light of the current discussion, one that we certainly ought to be trying to live up to.

kclee4jc · #57 09-19-2013, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferd

I dont care which one it was, you will be blessed.

but if you can find "He has exaulted his WORD above his NAME", you and everyone owes it to themselves to listen to that one.

it is truely amazing and in light of the current discussion, one that we certainly ought to be trying to live up to.

do you know where i could find it at?

Ferd · #58 09-19-2013, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by kclee4jc

do you know where i could find it at?

I think i saw it on line some place some years ago but I wouldnt have a clue where to find it.

I do know it was a GC sermon so the org should have a copy? it was from some time in the last 70s if memory serves.