The Truth, in Their own Words

[larrylyates]

The "Lord's Day" is understood to be the day on which the Lord rose from the grave. It happened to have been on the first day of the week. Hence, the disciples practice of gathering together on that day. To honor the Lord.

Mark 16:9
Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

John 20:19
Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

Acts 20:7
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

1 Corinthians 16:2
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
The principle of our practice is found in Scripture and was the practice of the Apostolic Church. Perhaps others prefer Saturday, or Monday nights?
Romans 14:5
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

As for the rest, I outgrew the "Easter" bunny at about age 12. Now I choose not to celebrate "Easter," as I am not a follower of Ishtar. I do celebrate "Resurrection Sunday." No on can seem to tell me precisely which date that should be on. And really, does it matter the day? isn't it the heart that God looks at?

We don't do Christmas Trees. Instead we have a Nativity scene (although from what I read in the Gospel's, that's not really very accurate. It makes the point to our children however, what it is we are celebrating). Instead of expensive gifts, we take the money that would normally be spent on such things and give it to foreign missions. It's our way of giving back in thanks for what we have been given.

I'm sure I'll hear from somebody who objects to these practices, but that seems to be a common practice on AFF so hey, I'm used to that by now

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Muslims and Jews got along fine until your ilk came along--thankfully, they still, by and large, do.

And what 'ilk' is that, Birdman?

As for Christians and Muslims living in peace and harmony, perhaps you should ask the Kosovars how that worked out for them.

[Esaias]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Hindus

Persecution of Hindus refers to the religious persecution inflicted upon Hindus. Hindus have been historically persecuted during Islamic rule of the Indian subcontinent and during the Goa Inquisition. In modern times, Hindus in the Muslim-majority regions of Kashmir, Pakistan and Bangladesh have also suffered persecution.

Bet it's all the Christians' fault, though, right?

http://jihadonbuddhists.org/

http://jihadonbuddhists.org/?p=372

“Police say suspected militants in Thailand’s insurgency-plagued south have detonated a motorcycle bomb that killed a 9-year-old boy and wounded 10 other people.
Police Col. Tuanday Juthanan said Thursday the insurgents hid an improvised bomb on a motorcycle near a commercial district in the city of Pattani and set it off during lunch break.”

...

http://jihadonbuddhists.org/?p=425

“Six people, including a young child, have been killed in southern Thailand after a gun attack at a village shop, police say.
At least four gunmen fired bullets at the shop in Pattani province before escaping on motorbikes.
The attack comes days after a second round of peace talks between Muslim separatists and the Thai government.

More than 5,000 people have been killed since a separatist insurgency reignited in the Muslim-majority region in 2004.
A toddler was among those killed in the attack on Wednesday night. Another man was also injured, according to reports. All those killed were believed to be Buddhists.“

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pa...y.htm#crusades

Here are some quick facts…

The first Crusade began in 1095… 460 years after the first Christian city was overrun by Muslim armies, 457 years after Jerusalem was conquered by Muslim armies, 453 years after Egypt was taken by Muslim armies, 443 after Muslims first plundered Italy, 427 years after Muslim armies first laid siege to the Christian capital of Constantinople, 380 years after Spain was conquered by Muslim armies, 363 years after France was first attacked by Muslim armies, 249 years after the capital of the Christian world, Rome itself, was sacked by a Muslim army, and only after centuries of church burnings, killings, enslavement and forced conversions of Christians.

By the time the Crusades finally began, Muslim armies had conquered two-thirds of the Christian world.

Europe had been harassed by Muslims since the first few years following Muhammad’s death. As early as 652, Muhammad’s followers launched raids on the island of Sicily, waging a full-scale occupation 200 years later that lasted almost a century and was punctuated by massacres, such as that at the town of Castrogiovanni, in which 8,000 Christians were put to death. In 1084, ten years before the first crusade, Muslims staged another devastating Sicilian raid, burning churches in Reggio, enslaving monks and raping an abbey of nuns before carrying them into captivity.

In 1095, Byzantine Emperor, Alexius I Comneus began begging the pope in Rome for help in turning back the Muslim armies which were overrunning what is now Turkey, grabbing property as they went and turning churches into mosques. Several hundred thousand Christians had been killed in Anatolia alone in the decades following 1050 by Seljuk invaders interested in 'converting' the survivors to Islam.

Not only were Christians losing their lives in their own lands to the Muslim advance but pilgrims to the Holy Land from other parts of Europe were being harassed, kidnapped, molested, forcibly converted to Islam and occasionally murdered. (Compare this to Islam’s justification for slaughter on the basis of Muslims being denied access to the Meccan pilgrimage in Muhammad’s time).

Renowned scholar Bernard Lewis points out that the Crusades, though "often compared with the Muslim jihad, was a delayed and limited response to the jihad and in part also an imitation.... Forgiveness for sins to those who fought in defence of the holy Church of God and the Christian religion and polity, and eternal life for those fighting the infidel: these ideas... clearly reflect the Muslim notion of jihad."

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by larrylyates

The "Lord's Day" is understood to be the day on which the Lord rose from the grave. It happened to have been on the first day of the week. Hence, the disciples practice of gathering together on that day. To honor the Lord...

Mmm, nice try, but that is just what "some guy"--a prof, no doubt--told you. The practice was initiated by Constantine, the Baal worshipper, after he got religion a la the RCC, and despite his edict, it took almost 200 years after his reign for the RCC to finally jam it down everyone's throats.

What do you believe "...and think to change times, and days" is referring to?

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Esaias

And what 'ilk' is that, Birdman?

As for Christians and Muslims living in peace and harmony, perhaps you should ask the Kosovars how that worked out for them.

Ok, maybe "our ilk would be a better way to put that as I am as responsible as you are, here. The obtrusive, "let me help you" Capitalist-pig ilk, that is convinced that the current nation of Israel is the fig tree re-budding. That ilk. I am actually prolly more of that ilk than you, E

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Mmm, nice try, but that is just what "some guy"--a prof, no doubt--told you. The practice was initiated by Constantine, the Baal worshipper, after he got religion a la the RCC, and despite his edict, it took almost 200 years after his reign for the RCC to finally jam it down everyone's throats.

What do you believe "...and think to change times, and days" is referring to?

My question to you, is do you believe this is a Heaven or hell issue? If so, why? If not, why does it matter?

[larrylyates]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Mmm, nice try, but that is just what "some guy"--a prof, no doubt--told you. The practice was initiated by Constantine, the Baal worshipper, after he got religion a la the RCC, and despite his edict, it took almost 200 years after his reign for the RCC to finally jam it down everyone's throats.

What do you believe "...and think to change times, and days" is referring to?

So, all of those verse I listed that come from your New Testament, those were written by Constantin?
And Romans 14:5, that was just some sort of slip of the pen?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by larrylyates

I do celebrate "Resurrection Sunday." No on can seem to tell me precisely which date that should be on.

I believe that would be the third day after Passover, regardless of what day of the week it falls on, would it not?

[larrylyates]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I believe that would be the third day after Passover, regardless of what day of the week it falls on, would it not?

I can accept that as valid. I just use the first day of the week. Call me inaccurate. I like your research by the way. Well done.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by larrylyates

So, all of those verse I listed that come from your New Testament, those were written by Constantin?
And Romans 14:5, that was just some sort of slip of the pen?

No, but it is quite arguably meant to be read "do this right after the Sabbath, on the first day of the (work) week, so that you don't have to do it 'specially' when I get here." And no, those were not written by Constantine; and, let one interpret for themselves, including you. I have just spent the last couple of years discovering Christian history, from the early councils forward, anyway, and my pov is now colored by that.