Supreme Court ObamaCare Ruling

[canam]

Originally Posted by Sam

Check out this
http://whitehouse12.com/2012/06/28/c...s-is-a-genius/

Chief Justice Roberts Is A Genius

Before you look to do harm to Chief Justice Roberts or his family, it’s important that you think carefully about the meaning – the true nature — of his ruling on Obama-care. The Left will shout that they won, that Obama-care was upheld and all the rest. Let them.

It will be a short-lived celebration.

Here’s what really occurred — payback. Yes, payback for Obama’s numerous, ill-advised and childish insults directed toward SCOTUS.

Chief Justice Roberts actually ruled the mandate, relative to the commerce clause, was unconstitutional. That’s how the Democrats got Obama-care going in the first place. This is critical. His ruling means Congress can’t compel American citizens to purchase anything. Ever. The notion is now officially and forever, unconstitutional. As it should be.

Next, he stated that, because Congress doesn’t have the ability to mandate, it must, to fund Obama-care, rely on its power to tax. Therefore, the mechanism that funds Obama-care is a tax. This is also critical. Recall back during the initial Obama-care battles, the Democrats called it a penalty, Republicans called it a tax. Democrats consistently soft sold it as a penalty. It went to vote as a penalty. Obama declared endlessly, that it was not a tax, it was a penalty. But when the Democrats argued in front of the Supreme Court, they said ‘hey, a penalty or a tax, either way’. So, Roberts gave them a tax. It is now the official law of the land — beyond word-play and silly shenanigans. Obama-care is funded by tax dollars. Democrats now must defend a tax increase to justify the Obama-care law.

Finally, he struck down as unconstitutional, the Obama-care idea that the federal government can bully states into complying by yanking their existing medicaid funding. Liberals, through Obama-care, basically said to the states — ‘comply with Obama-care or we will stop existing funding.’ Roberts ruled that is a no-no. If a state takes the money, fine, the Feds can tell the state how to run a program, but if the state refuses money, the federal government can’t penalize the state by yanking other funding. Therefore, a state can decline to participate in Obama-care without penalty. This is obviously a serious problem. Are we going to have 10, 12, 25 states not participating in “national” health-care? Suddenly, it’s not national, is it?

Ultimately, Roberts supported states rights by limiting the federal government’s coercive abilities. He ruled that the government can not force the people to purchase products or services under the commerce clause and he forced liberals to have to come clean and admit that Obama-care is funded by tax increases.

Although he didn’t guarantee Romney a win, he certainly did more than his part and should be applauded.

And he did this without creating a civil war or having bricks thrown through his windshield. Oh, and he’ll be home in time for dinner.

Brilliant.

He proved that it aint Obama that is smart ,he is merely a fradulent imposter that can produce no credentials,brilliance personified !

[Pressing-On]

The Supreme Court may have invalidated the whole law. Something to consider.

"All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House or Representatives, but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other bills. Article 1, Section 7, US Constitution

The House barely passed a version of the healthcare law and the Senate passed a version of their own. The House version then hit a roadblock in the Senate. So, the Democrats because, it wasn't a tax bill, pulled the Senate version from reconciliation and deemed it passed rather than risking another vote in the House. If that is true, and the healthcare bill is a tax - the Supreme Court says that it is - it was not lawfully passed.

[Light]

Originally Posted by Esther

PO can't believe you can't see a difference between the Muslin Obama vs the American Romney.

PO has her eyes open, thinks for herself unlike some whose head is stuck in the sand.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Light

PO has her eyes open, thinks for herself unlike some whose head is stuck in the sand.

Yeah right. There is no credible rationale for not voting for Romney over Obama.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by CC1

Yeah right. There is no credible rationale for not voting for Romney over Obama.

What's Romney going to do? We'd have to look at the waivers. Romney said he would issue waivers and then work on a repeal. He's admitted that the waivers could be tied up in lawsuits for months, there would be some confusion as to what portions of the Bill the waivers would cover and what restrictions would apply, such as, the waivers don't kick in until around 2017. And what if some of the more liberal states don't request a waiver?

He's also stated that he would use Executive Order to Repeal, but he's limited on that because, he can't act against the will of Congress.

It's a little confusing as to what they are going to do. We'll have to ask Newt because, Romney has no clarity.

Here's Newt's plan - http://www.newt.org/solutions/healthcare/

And here’s Romney. Not one mention on the lie of “ObamaCare was upheld” or the fact that Robert's changed the whole definition of “mandate vs. tax” concept. And he took no questions at the end of his speech. How many times is the ball going to cross the plate for a perfect home run hit and this is what we will get?

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

I am still confused as to why people like Light and JD would celebrat ethis. Obama just got the largest middle class tax increase EVER forced down our throats!

The logic is simple. Even if the Obama admin "penalizes" companies for not carrying insurance fo rhteir employees, they won't do it. First, the penalty has no teeth. They can't jail peopel for not paying it. Second, say teh penalty is $1000 per employee not insured. Who cares? If it costs a company $5000 a year to pay for insurance for that employee, but the panalty to not cover them is only $1000...why not just pay the $1000 and pocket the rest. Then that employee is left without insurance or jumping on whatever plan the Fed provides (which is secretly what Obama wants anyways).

Once enough companies go that route, Obama will have his socialized medicine and we will be in the same spot Europe and Canada are. Months in line to get to see your regular doctor. Waiting for over 6 months for non life threatening surgeries. One man had his MRI pushed back 48 times! People leave those countries all the time to come here to get medical care because thier systems stink. Countries nearly bankrupt in part due to the INSANE cost of funding this medical mess.

Yet you lefties can't see it because you are blinded by worshipping Obama.

JD & Lite have bought into the belief that liberals really care about people and conservatives are made up of rich, white men who only care about themselves.
We hope that someday they will come to think for themselves.
I believe there is still hope for JD.
I think that Lite has bought the liberal line, hook, line and sinker...

[Pressing-On]

It's just amazing what people are actually NOT seeing.

Romney's Transition Leader Favors Implementing Obamacare

What's most concerning about all of this is not that Romney selected one of the few Republicans in the country who backs implementation of Obamacare's exchanges. It's what the selection of Leavitt means as an indication of how Romney would potentially "fix" Obamacare if repeal proves impossible. According to Politico, "already, plugged-in Republicans from Washington to Salt Lake City are buzzing that Leavitt could make his own transition next January into the job of White House chief of staff or as a Valerie Jarrett-like personal counselor to a President Romney."

Should the Supreme Court strike down only a portion of Obamacare, it seems clear Leavitt would be a major voice in deciding how to replace it. And he is convinced that "exchanges are part of the future, no matter what."

http://ricochet.com/main-feed/Romney...ting-Obamacare

[Light]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

JD & Lite have bought into the belief that liberals really care about people and conservatives are made up of rich, white men who only care about themselves.
We hope that someday they will come to think for themselves.
I believe there is still hope for JD.
I think that Lite has bought the liberal line, hook, line and sinker...

Oh how wrong you are. Most people that claim to be cocervitive are middle class who vote to cut their own noses off to spite their face.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Light

Oh how wrong you are. Most people that claim to be cocervitive are middle class who vote to cut their own noses off to spite their face.

What is a cocervitive?

[Light]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

What is a cocervitive?

Have you ever misspelled a word?