Old Time Pentecost

[Jay]

I got to thinking about it some more, and I do not believe that I covered the entire scope of what I remember. Now, KC, I am not that much older than you, but I remember seening the elder saints (mainly the ladies) praying. I remember hearing when Grandma Elder would get into intercessory prayer before service, and you could hear her from almost anywhere. There were others who could reach the throne in an instant. Bro. and Sis. Karriker are people of high standards (official standard was sleeves to the elbow, but you never saw their sleeves that high), and deep grace. Grandma Karriker had a difficult life as her husband was not saved, but she never commented on it, and lived a life that was deeply committed to God. Sis. Dean loves God, and served Him and the church to the best of her abilities, but had also had a life filled with difficulties raising a grandson by herself after her husband died a tragic death. I remember Sis. Westburg praying for cool weather at campmeeting because of the very hot days in July, I remember within 12 hours the temperature dropping to a very tolerable temperature. I remember hearing the people pray before services, and the annointing and power that flowed. I remember looking at elders that I knew would make it to Heaven because they had already proven their staying power, and I saw that nothing would move them. One day, I want to be like them.

[The Lemon]

KC,

I have to say that I love the testimony and I must agree in large part. Of course we should not measure ourselves by ourselves, and I know you were not advocating such. I refuse to be someones judge by laying a guilt trip to get them to line up to my coonvictions.

What I will say is that this thread has caused me to ask the Lord for forgiveness, I know I am not where I need to be or where I want to be in Christ.

While we all can argue to no end about standards, personal conviction, organizational stances etc., but one thing I think we all should agree on is that Jesus should be the main focus in our lives, and when we really put Him first in all things, and when our priorities are in order, and we are FOCUSED, there is revival, relationship, and anointing...I can't see any argument from that perspective..

[kclee4jc]

Originally Posted by Jay

I got to thinking about it some more, and I do not believe that I covered the entire scope of what I remember. Now, KC, I am not that much older than you, but I remember seening the elder saints (mainly the ladies) praying. I remember hearing when Grandma Elder would get into intercessory prayer before service, and you could hear her from almost anywhere. There were others who could reach the throne in an instant. Bro. and Sis. Karriker are people of high standards (official standard was sleeves to the elbow, but you never saw their sleeves that high), and deep grace. Grandma Karriker had a difficult life as her husband was not saved, but she never commented on it, and lived a life that was deeply committed to God. Sis. Dean loves God, and served Him and the church to the best of her abilities, but had also had a life filled with difficulties raising a grandson by herself after her husband died a tragic death. I remember Sis. Westburg praying for cool weather at campmeeting because of the very hot days in July, I remember within 12 hours the temperature dropping to a very tolerable temperature. I remember hearing the people pray before services, and the annointing and power that flowed. I remember looking at elders that I knew would make it to Heaven because they had already proven their staying power, and I saw that nothing would move them. One day, I want to be like them.

This is what I'm talking about, brother. This is what is missed in so many modern Pentecostal circles...even some of the standard keeping circles. I'm seeing a revival of this. As I have stated before, our fellowship is mainly with the WPF. I'm not pushing an org...have no desire to do such. But this type of consecration has had tremendous emphasis in our fellowship. It seems God is responding.

[kclee4jc]

There have been many wonderful posts on this thread. I appreciate your genuinity. I pray God raises up this kind of standard of prayer and hearfelt desire for God in all our lives.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter

Well yes, I believe you do wear that crown! LOL

And not always is that "incredible pride and sense of exclusiveness" present. Sometimes, it is truly genuine commitment in what one feels is "right." And if they feel it is right, then to do otherwise (for them) would be sin.

Amen, exactly.

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

And that is Bible!

Which is complete without the addition of concepts, like trinity or like 'personal conviction'. Just use what is there.. it works.

LOL ! Lets see. Fiyahstarter says its a" truly genuine commitment in what one feels is "right."

I said personal conviction.

Personal -
relating to, directed to, or intended for one's personal life; intended for use by one person: a personal car.

Conviction-
a fixed or firmly held belief or opinion.
the state of being convicted.

In other words the only difference between the two is in your head. Thats where you apply your broad brush to the dogma of anything that remotely sounds like it might personally offend your newly found freedom from the mothership.

Stop being offended long enough to have a mature conversation you might find more times than not, there are more people with you than against you.

Aside from that. Too many times those who don't like standards enjoy poking fun at those who may genuinely feel like they are led in their personal walk with God to do certain things or live a certain way. When there are those like me, who have standards I keep, that couldn't care less what the rest of you do in your walk with God. My personal walk will not get you into heaven. And your personal walk will not get me into heaven.

Whats funny is when people come here and say they are "led of God to leave the Great UPC Satan" make fun of those who say they are led by God to live a little differently. Then all of a sudden God is confused. lol .
2. a fixed or firmly held belief, opinion, etc
2. a fixed or firmly held belief, opinion, etc

[scotty]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

There have been many wonderful posts on this thread. I appreciate your genuinity. I pray God raises up this kind of standard of prayer and hearfelt desire for God in all our lives.

LOL !!! Now you gone and done it. You talked about standards then ended with the one standard that we all follow.


Thats gonna get the libs hot under the collar, thats supposed to be their line...lol.

[returnman]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

Being in the most conservative circles I have never heard beards taught as sin. Furthermore, there is scriptural foundation for uncut hair. In my oponion, internets main purpose is information, television's purpose is entertainment and it is ungoldy entertainment at that. One must ask, if these teachings are false, why do such tremendous moves of God accompany them and seem to dissipate when these convictions are loss? Why do those who let down in these areas also let down in prayerand fasting. Just some thoughts to ponder. The intent of this thread is not to debate these things, however.

FYi, TV has changed dramatically in the past several years. I watch History channel and home shows followed by the News and occasional sports. The sports being the only entertainment. If I want a movie, I go rent one. Holmes on Homes tops my list.

I see a ton of CONS on facebook. That is entertainment, i.e. chatting.....and maybe not appropriately so. You can shed every carnal possesion you own and temptation of some form will still pop up.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by scotty

LOL !!! Now you gone and done it. You talked about standards then ended with the one standard that we all follow.


Thats gonna get the libs hot under the collar, thats supposed to be their line...lol.

Nawwww, as far as I'm concerned anyone is allowed to use that line.

The only thing that really gets me hot under the collar is false piety. Being proud about your "humbleness" and being separate from the world for the sole purpose of being different -even if the difference is wearing a lime green scarf and bandana on the head with yellow bananas on it.

And yes, I know many who are literally overflowing with TRUE humbleness and they are like a breath of fresh air whenever they enter a room, be it physically or virtually.

And then there are all those best represented by your typical camp service. <sigh>

[scotty]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Nawwww, as far as I'm concerned anyone is allowed to use that line.

The only thing that really gets me hot under the collar is false piety. Being proud about your "humbleness" and being separate from the world for the sole purpose of being different -even if the difference is wearing a lime green scarf and bandana on the head with yellow bananas on it.

I would agree. Having "pride" about your "humbleness" is ...... isnt that an "oxy moron" ?? or "irony" ?..

Anyway, I agree. Ones personal convictions are useless if not kept personal.

[Jay]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

This is what I'm talking about, brother. This is what is missed in so many modern Pentecostal circles...even some of the standard keeping circles. I'm seeing a revival of this. As I have stated before, our fellowship is mainly with the WPF. I'm not pushing an org...have no desire to do such. But this type of consecration has had tremendous emphasis in our fellowship. It seems God is responding.

I know a pastor who told my Dad that he wants to see his church reach the place that the 'Old Time Pentecostals' did. He started reading Bro. Bean's teachings on the gifts of the Spirit, and are seeking for a greater moving of God's Spirit.

I have felt a greater call to prayer than I have felt in quite some time, and try to be obedient to the call.

I believe that God is calling all that want to follow Him back to what we have forfeited over the course of time. I wish to quote the words of Bro. Baxter Sr., "Do not talk about having end time revival. Go have end time revival.

I thank you for your kind and gracious words, and hope to see you whenever I can get out toward the East Coast.