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Old 12-06-2011, 09:06 AM
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The simple answer is found in 2 Timothy 3:16-17. The more detailed answer is in the detailed study of your references, Genesis through Revelation. However, if you dismiss the scriptures as being the works (teaching) of men, which reduces the scriptures to works by men and for men, then you are left free to do with them as you wish. Even so, I will not belabor the point with you.
I didn't say the scriptures themselves were works of men. I said it was the choice of which scriptures were inspired by God. The list. A study of the references might mislead one into thinking The Book of Enoch should be included. Martin Luther wasn't happy with James making the cut.

Of course, different "men" teach different lists. Should we take a vote among all believers?
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Old 12-06-2011, 10:42 AM
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Of course, different "men" teach different lists. Should we take a vote among all believers?
Thank you. That is part of the problem with men manipulating scripture for their own purposes.
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Thank you. That is part of the problem with men manipulating scripture for their own purposes.
I think that is the essence of legalism.

We shouldn't have a standard of lists. We should simply immulate Jesus. Jesus alone should be our standard. We should seek a oneness with Christ that is so pervasive to our being that Jesus Himself lives and breathes in us. Our very shadows should have nail scarred hands.
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Old 12-06-2011, 12:17 PM
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Paul said follow me as I follow Christ, and then he wrote letters to define discipleship.
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Old 12-06-2011, 12:49 PM
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Paul said follow me as I follow Christ, and then he wrote letters to define discipleship.
In other words, as Paul saught to immulate Jesus, we too should follow Paul's example and immulate Jesus. The epistles largely addressed issues and concerns facing the first century church.

Or, are you saying we should seek to be like Paul...and leave immulating Jesus entirely up to Paul?

You'll notice that there is a mindset that always seeks to set Jesus on the sidelines and seek what is readily seen as attainable in the flesh. Our destiny isn't to be conformed into the image of Paul... but rather the Father's will is that we be conformed into the image of Jesus. To merely seek to immulate Paul, or anything other than Jesus Himself, is dangerously close to idolatry... even if well intentioned.

Maybe I misunderstood you, but those are the thoughts I had regarding your post. Love you sis.

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In other words, as Paul saught to immulate Jesus, we too should follow Paul's example and immulate Jesus. The epistles largely addressed issues and concerns facing the first century church.

Or, are you saying we should seek to be like Paul...and leave immulating Jesus entirely up to Paul?

You'll notice that there is a mindset that always seeks to set Jesus on the sidelines and seek what is readily seen as attainable in the flesh. Our destiny isn't to be conformed into the image of Paul... but rather the Father's will is that we be conformed into the image of Jesus. To merely seek to immulate Paul, or anything other than Jesus Himself, is dangerously close to idolatry... even if well intentioned.

Maybe I misunderstood you, but those are the thoughts I had regarding your post. Love you sis.
I believe your first point is what she meant.
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I believe that without reading the bible, we would not know how to emulate Jesus.
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I believe that without reading the bible, we would not know how to emulate Jesus.
That, I can agree with. The teachings of Scripture are focused on one thing... being identified with Jesus. NT Epistles are like caselaw. They show how the early church applied this principle. With Spirit led guidance we can extrapolate those principles into modern times. For example, Paul spoke to the Corinthians about head coverings and implied that women were immodest if they didn't wear them during worship. Today, while we don't wear head coverings, we should focus on what is modest with regards to dress, especially when gathered for worship.
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Thank you. That is part of the problem with men manipulating scripture for their own purposes.
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This is not my favorite thread, not sure why though.
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