Newt Gingrich

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Oh please.

First, all men are flawed. The phonies are the ones walking around looking sterling when no man is.

Second, just because a conservative has new ideas on how to address the problems we face it doesn't make them a Liberal. Newt is the one who helped Republicans take control of Congress and advanced the Contract With America with it's Reaganite ideas. It was this very same Republican Congress that held Clinton's feet to the fire and helped balance the budget.

I don't see how anyone can call Newt a Liberal. Ask a true Liberal what they think of Newt and you'll get them spitting and cussing. The man is the only candidate running who reflects anything close to the ideals we saw with Ronald Reagan.

I suggest reading Newt's book, Winning The Future: A 21st Century Contract with America . This book clearly explains the policies Gingrich has considered and why he believes they are good ideas. The ideas are solidly conservative.

Essentially Newt Gingrich has led Congress and helped steer the entire nation already. If anyone knows what is necessary to get things done in Washington... it's Gingrich.

http://www.amazon.com/Winning-Future.../dp/0895260425

I agree that all men are flawed. And I believe that every man will be tempted by something. Gingrich says that his extra-marital affairs are because he was working too hard and too much. Fine, I think that you can be tired and make bad choices. I think that you could meet someone that could be the trial of your life in that department, but when you actually lay down with the person, you've lost the battle and I think that disqualifies him as President - three times? Please.

The GOP has always been held to a higher standard. Do I believe God forgives? You better believe that I do! But, I also believe when you violate that higher standard, you disqualify yourself from that higher position. That includes me, you, and my dog named Blue.

When this higher standard no longer matters to the GOP, it's time for a third party. And if that is our choice, I think we deserve another four years of Obama.

I heard someone this past weekend on David Gregory's show say that the GOP has lost their "soul" when they no longer hold to a higher standard. Someone else went on to say that we are so used to hearing about political sexual scandals that we are no longer shocked and are more apt to accept it as status quo - just like what you are doing here, Aquila.

These are the political reasons I am against Newt.

Gingrich Redux?

But is Gingrich the savior the GOP has been yearning for, as the party lurches from one flavor-of-the-month contender to the next? Gingrich, of course, has an impressive political résumé, particularly his 1994 Contract with America. But he also has, to borrow Tim Pawlenty’s term, some significant “clunkers” in his record that conservatives may want to consider before settling on Gingrich as the man of the hour. In no particular order, here are ten items in Gingrich’s record that might give conservatives pause:

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...na-trinko?pg=1

[Aquila]

Love it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Njs8myGk-Gw

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If the establishment can get us to thinking in terms of surface-level characteristics of appearance, debate style, and images of public perfection, -- and cause us to ignore the substantive issues addressed, the GOP candidates history, fiscal policies, actual plans and strategies to preserve the US constitution and states rights -- THEN the establishment has already deceptively positioned the minds of the conservatives and the Tea Party members to vote for a RINO-like Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich.

Just sayin'...

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Originally Posted by Aquila

I suggest reading Newt's book, Winning The Future: A 21st Century Contract with America . This book clearly explains the policies Gingrich has considered and why he believes they are good ideas. The ideas are solidly conservative.

http://www.amazon.com/Winning-Future.../dp/0895260425

I think you need to put down his book and look at his record.

Newt Gingrich: The Establishment’s Conservative

Just as report cards keep parents posted on their children’s progress in school, constituents have a tool to let them know how their federal representatives measure up to their oaths to uphold the Constitution.

But if the GOP establishment has its way, the Republicans who will go to Washington will be of the neocon variety and will offer voters looking for alternatives to the liberal Democrats more of an echo than a choice. The establishment-favored Newt Gingrich is a case in point.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...tive?showall=1

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I think you need to put down his book and look at his record.

Did you like having a balanced budget in the 90's?

Did you support the Contract With America that helped lay the foundation of a Republican majority?

[Aquila]

Newts book explains actual policies that counters liberal garbage or realistically addresses current issues.

Newt is beyond debating about the problems. He presents solutions.

It's called "vision". The last time Newt had a vision...it put Republicans in a majority and gave us prosperity and a balanced budget.

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Did you like having a balanced budget in the 90's?

Did you support the Contract With America that helped lay the foundation of a Republican majority?

Aquila,
I don't doubt the man's intelligence at all. How could I?

What I am going to do is back a candidate that has a consistent, conservative record and moral life. That candidate is Gov. Rick Perry.

I don't need and don't want a polished debator. I want consistency. Perry never bought into the Global Warming hoax and has been consistent on everything else. That is not the case for Newt, even with his good ideas.

All Perry has to do with Obama is ask him why he doesn't have a jobs record. Plain and simple.

Not wanting the same old, same old, I will stand with Gov. Perry. If Newt so happens to get the nomination, I will vote my party line. Until then, I stand with Governor Rick Perry.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I agree that all men are flawed. And I believe that every man will be tempted by something. Gingrich says that his extra-marital affairs are because he was working too hard and too much. Fine, I think that you can be tired and make bad choices. I think that you could meet someone that could be the trial of your life in that department, but when you actually lay down with the person, you've lost the battle and I think that disqualifies him as President - three times? Please.

Imagine you are a major corporation and you have six men applying for a lead accounting position. Two have GEDs and little experience with accounting. One has no college but has “balanced the books” for his dad’s book store. Two have gone to college and have taken accounting but one has no experience, the other has worked for a restaurant chain. The final applicant has a Masters in Business Management and Accounting, has led the staff of a major Fortune 500 company, wherein accounting during his tenure was stellar. In fact, he re-wrote the policy of the accounting department and revolutionized the way the company balanced its budget. In the interview process five applicants just parroted what you wanted to hear and what you expected. This man had some new and challenging and innovative ideas. The only problem with this final applicant is… he’s had some marital problems in the past. He’s been happily married now for 12 years and has found deeper religious faith. He deeply regrets his indiscretions when he was younger. However, he has much to offer and desires to serve your company as he has served in other capacities in the past.

I’m going to be frank here, because we’re all grown ups. The sixth applicant above is superior to the others. Yes, he’s sowed his oats, but that doesn’t mean he’d not make a an excellent accounting manager. Now, if he were running for the office of pastor… I’d definitely not vote for him.

Also, let’s consider King David. David had multiple wives, hand an affair, even had a man KILLED to cover up the affair. Yet he was the greatest King Israel ever had. He wrote many of the Psalms we cherish. Now, let’s think about his private life for a moment. Do you realize that David may have written one Psalm after sleeping with a different woman from the woman he slept with before the previous Psalm he wrote? And consider the Psalms written after David committed both adultery and murder. These Psalms are HOLY SCRIPTURE. It’s obvious that God Himself forgave David, and seeing David’s excellent abilities, chose to continue using David as King. God could have had David replaced easily. We don’t see Saul having a propensity for sexual sin beyond his polygamy… but he was a TERRIBLE leader and God replaced him.

If a man who was both an adulterer and murderer ran for the White House, would you vote for him? Maybe not… but if he were David, God would choose to use him.

When I was in the Army, I had a section sergeant who was a “dog”. This man cheated on his wife and had an ongoing affair. But his abilities and leadership as an NCO were second to none. I also know of another NCO who was a very faithful man with regards to his marriage… but the guy couldn’t fight his way out of a paper bag or make a single good decision! We'd groan with dread when he was in charge. Who would you want leading you in a dangerous military operation if your choice was between these two guys?

I think you get my point.

Newt’s indiscretions are not hidden. They are out in the open, he owns them, and has repented of them. Perry and others stand to have past indiscretions revealed during the general election, derailing their ability to beat Obama. Just look at what's happened to Herman Cain. What will you think of Perry if his private dirt is just as ugly as the next guy's?

The GOP has always been held to a higher standard. Do I believe God forgives? You better believe that I do! But, I also believe when you violate that higher standard, you disqualify yourself from that higher position. That includes me, you, and my dog named Blue.

I used to think about the GOP that way too. The GOP isn’t a church. Ditch the “churchthink”. It’s a political party. And yes, it addresses social issues that are important to conservatives… BUT it’s not a moral religious body. Many atheists, gays, pagans, Muslims, Hindus, dope smokers, etc. proudly call themselves Republican. We’re voting for a leader…not a pastor. Therefore the very notion of holding the GOP to a higher standard is a bit silly if you think about it. We’re talking politics, not church. We’re talking political leadership, not the pastorate. The most conservative and unbending candidate is Ron Paul. But he’d be a disaster that would take American down an isolationist dead end. Clearly Gingrich is a man who has vision and KNOWS what he’s doing. And he's not afraid to change his mind if he believes there is a better way. He's not a stubborn idealogue who NEVER binds and continues down the wrong road, when he knows it's wrong, merely out of "principle". I like that in a leader. If a leader can turn on a dime and stay, "Stop, I don't think this is a good idea anymore. After reviewing the facts I believe option B to be the best course of action.", I know he thinks for himself and has guts. I like that in a leader. You might call it "flip flopping". I call it "thinking and reconsidering". Sadly, too many elected officials wouldn't know how to think or reconsider their way through a crossword puzzle in a Sunday newspaper. Perry's gaff was the result of him FORGETTING what he was told to say by his political handlers. If elected, Perry be what we call a "useful idiot", beholden to the handlers who got him elected. He's not a leader with innovative ideas. Perry is merely another political talking head actor who forgot his line. I wouldn't doubt if a group like the Vulcans aren't behind Perry in some way. Perry just forgot what all they told him to say. It's NOT his REAL position. Perry is a fake.

When this higher standard no longer matters to the GOP, it's time for a third party. And if that is our choice, I think we deserve another four years of Obama.

Again, you talk about the GOP like it’s a church. The GOP is a political party. Hey…they even have registered constituents who are gay business owners. One of the biggest supporters of the GOP I’ve known was ran an adult bookstore. Why did they support the GOP? The GOP looked out for their interests as a small business. Lol

I heard someone this past weekend on David Gregory's show say that the GOP has lost their "soul" when they no longer hold to a higher standard. Someone else went on to say that we are so used to hearing about political sexual scandals that we are no longer shocked and are more apt to accept it as status quo - just like what you are doing here, Aquila.

These are the political reasons I am against Newt.

These are politicians. Do you REALLY think we have a single one of them that isn’t a liar, hasn’t taken money they shouldn’t, caved to a lobby, and have been guilty of some private indiscretion? Please.

We need a leader. Newt isn’t perfect. But here’s what I like about him… he’s intelligent, has great policy ideas, knows how to lead, knows how Congress works, and frankly concerning his past…he’s real and we know the dirt.

Ultimately, these guys don't have the Holy Ghost. So they are all unregenerate sinners. We're voting on a President, not a pastor. I'm sure if we knew all the dirt about our beloved Founding Fathers we'd be shocked. Guess what... human beings sin. Even the best of leaders. Consider King David.

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Imagine you are a major corporation and you have six men applying for a lead accounting position. Two have GEDs and little experience with accounting. One has no college but has “balanced the books” for his dad’s book store. Two have gone to college and have taken accounting but one has no experience, the other has worked for a restaurant chain. The final applicant has a Masters in Business Management and Accounting, has led the staff of a major Fortune 500 company, wherein accounting during his tenure was stellar. In fact, he re-wrote the policy of the accounting department and revolutionized the way the company balanced its budget. In the interview process five applicants just parroted what you wanted to hear and what you expected. This man had some new and challenging and innovative ideas. The only problem with this final applicant is… he’s had some marital problems in the past. He’s been happily married now for 12 years and has found deeper religious faith. He deeply regrets his indiscretions when he was younger. However, he has much to offer and desires to serve your company as he has served in other capacities in the past.

I’m going to be frank here, because we’re all grown ups. The sixth applicant above is superior to the others. Yes, he’s sowed his oats, but that doesn’t mean he’d not make a an excellent accounting manager. Now, if he were running for the office of pastor… I’d definitely not vote for him.

Also, let’s consider King David. David had multiple wives, hand an affair, even had a man KILLED to cover up the affair. Yet he was the greatest King Israel ever had. He wrote many of the Psalms we cherish. Now, let’s think about his private life for a moment. Do you realize that David may have written one Psalm after sleeping with a different woman from the woman he slept with before the previous Psalm he wrote? And consider the Psalms written after David committed both adultery and murder. These Psalms are HOLY SCRIPTURE. It’s obvious that God Himself forgave David, and seeing David’s excellent abilities, chose to continue using David as King. God could have had David replaced easily. We don’t see Saul having a propensity for sexual sin beyond his polygamy… but he was a TERRIBLE leader and God replaced him.

If a man who was both an adulterer and murderer ran for the White House, would you vote for him? Maybe not… but if he were David, God would choose to use him.

When I was in the Army, I had a section sergeant who was a “dog”. This man cheated on his wife and had an ongoing affair. But his abilities and leadership as an NCO were second to none. I also know of another NCO who was a very faithful man with regards to his marriage… but the guy couldn’t fight his way out of a paper bag or make a single good decision! We'd groan with dread when he was in charge. Who would you want leading you in a dangerous military operation if your choice was between these two guys?

I think you get my point.

Newt’s indiscretions are not hidden. They are out in the open, he owns them, and has repented of them. Perry and others stand to have past indiscretions revealed during the general election, derailing their ability to beat Obama. Just look at what's happened to Herman Cain. What will you think of Perry if his private dirt is just as ugly as the next guy's?



I used to think about the GOP that way too. The GOP isn’t a church. Ditch the “churchthink”. It’s a political party. And yes, it addresses social issues that are important to conservatives… BUT it’s not a moral religious body. Many atheists, gays, pagans, Muslims, Hindus, dope smokers, etc. proudly call themselves Republican. We’re voting for a leader…not a pastor. Therefore the very notion of holding the GOP to a higher standard is a bit silly if you think about it. We’re talking politics, not church. We’re talking political leadership, not the pastorate. The most conservative and unbending candidate is Ron Paul. But he’d be a disaster that would take American down an isolationist dead end. Clearly Gingrich is a man who has vision and KNOWS what he’s doing.



Again, you talk about the GOP like it’s a church. The GOP is a political party. Hey…they even have registered constituents who are gay business owners. One of the biggest supporters of the GOP I’ve known was ran an adult bookstore. Why did they support the GOP? The GOP looked out for their interests as a small business. Lol



These are politicians. Do you REALLY think we have a single one of them that isn’t a liar, hasn’t taken money they shouldn’t, caved to a lobby, and have been guilty of some private indiscretion? Please.

We need a leader. Newt isn’t perfect. But here’s what I like about him… he’s intelligent, has great policy ideas, knows how to lead, knows how Congress works, and frankly concerning his past…he’s real and we know the dirt.

Ultimately, these guys don't have the Holy Ghost. So they are all unregenerate sinners. We're voting on a President, not a pastor. I'm sure if we knew all the dirt about our beloved Founding Fathers we'd be shocked. Guess what... human beings sin. Even the best of leaders. Consider King David.

Three times the charm..... just sayin'.....

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Three times the charm..... just sayin'.....

Life's complicated. If you've never had to go through a divorce, count yourself lucky. It's one of the most painful things I've had to endure. We don't know all the private circumstances or situations each marriage brought with it. We don't know much about the relationship between Newt and his previous wives. What we do know is that the marriages didn't work. Obviously, this marriage has been working for 12 years now.

You know... Bathsheba was the woman of promise for David. Bathsheba loosely translates, “daughter of the promise”. David married her and she went on to be very influential, even saving Israel and the throne, ensuring that King Solomon would be heir to the throne. Prior to Bathsheba, David was married to Mikal, Achinoam, Abigail, Ma’akah, Chaggith, Abital, and Eglah. Mark them… 7 women before Bathsheba. And at first, Bathsheba was inducted as a mistress in an adulterous encounter. Now, I have a feeling that if Bathsheba was truly the, “daughter of the promise”, Uriah would have died in battle at the hands of fate, and David would have been able to marry Bathsheba without committing murder. I feel David simply got ahead of God by caving into his lusts (just as Abraham and Sarah got ahead of God with Hagar as a result of their impatience).

So if we can say, “third times the charm” with reference to Newt…. What do we say about King David? "Eighth time’s a charm"? Lol