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05-13-2007, 06:09 PM
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Here's how you word it. Make it spiritual. Instead of calling people hypocrites, just say there is a spirit of hypocrisy that surrounds their personal space.
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
Your right, BOOM, I was extremely blunt and didn't sugar-coat what I said and some may have been offended. 
I didn't think about the other person's feelings before I wrote what I wrote. Thanks for pointing that out to me.
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05-13-2007, 06:25 PM
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Here's how you word it. Make it spiritual. Instead of calling people hypocrites, just say there is a spirit of hypocrisy that surrounds their personal space.
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No. Good communication states how you feel or how you believe. It does not have to be accusatory.
For instance, saying, "I would feel hypocritical if I watched YouTube and then condemned others for having a television;" or, "I believe I would be hypocritical if I...," is much more preferable than, "I'm tired of hypocrites..." That is labeling someone else, who may have an entire different motivation. It is acceptable to differ, but we have to be careful in ascribing motivation (which is hard not to do), but we must be especially careful when we ascribe motivations, and negatively label a person according to the supposed or assumed motivation.
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05-13-2007, 06:59 PM
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If want to eliminate labeling, you will lose 99% of your conservatives. Motivation for muzzling liberal negative labelling?
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No. Good communication states how you feel or how you believe. It does not have to be accusatory.
For instance, saying, "I would feel hypocritical if I watched YouTube and then condemned others for having a television;" or, "I believe I would be hypocritical if I...," is much more preferable than, "I'm tired of hypocrites..." That is labeling someone else, who may have an entire different motivation. It is acceptable to differ, but we have to be careful in ascribing motivation (which is hard not to do), but we must be especially careful when we ascribe motivations, and negatively label a person according to the supposed or assumed motivation.
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A religious spirit allows people to tolerate hatred and anger under the guise of passion and holiness. Bill Johnson
Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
Some get spiritual because they see the light. Others because they feel the heat.Ray Wylie Hubbard
Definition of legalism- Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. TV
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05-13-2007, 07:06 PM
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If want to eliminate labeling, you will lose 99% of your conservatives. Motivation for muzzling liberal negative labelling?
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As I said, this is not easy, and assuming motivations is extremely tough not to do. When it gets over into negative labeling, we have to be careful. I don't believe, though, that the conservatives are any more guilty of it than the liberals, though. A certain amount of labeling has to be acceptable just so we can carry on conversation. But, extremely negative, judgmental labeling, like "hypocrite," is pushing it.
(And, no, I am not saying that I have never been guilty of it. Thus, while I reported the post, I did not call for a ban, or anything of that nature. I have been warned before for something akin to this myself--and I needed it--and it has not happened in a long time.)
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05-13-2007, 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
If you don't watch tv but you watch YouTuBe then you are a hypocrite.
If you watch a church service podcast on the net but don't allow tv, you're a hypocrite.
Think about it.
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I wouldn't say something like that.
In my opinion, a person who watches stuff on the internet but would not watch tv may be inconsistent but I wouldn't call him a hypocrite. There are folks (Eld. Epley is one) who sincerely believes that internet use is not the same as television use. If he did, I'm sure he would stop internet use.
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05-13-2007, 09:17 PM
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I wouldn't say something like that.
In my opinion, a person who watches stuff on the internet but would not watch tv may be inconsistent but I wouldn't call him a hypocrite. There are folks (Eld. Epley is one) who sincerely believes that internet use is not the same as television use. If he did, I'm sure he would stop internet use.
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Sam,
I respect Elder Elpey immensely, but that is my opinion. I just didn't express it in a kind, tactful, respectful way and I'm sorry for that but not for my opinion.
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05-13-2007, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
Sam,
I respect Elder Elpey immensely, but that is my opinion. I just didn't express it in a kind, tactful, respectful way and I'm sorry for that but not for my opinion.
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Mizpeh, don't apologize for your opinion. We all have a right to our opinion. And we all should respect one another's right to their opinion whether we agree with them or not.
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05-13-2007, 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
Sam,
I respect Elder Elpey immensely, but that is my opinion. I just didn't express it in a kind, tactful, respectful way and I'm sorry for that but not for my opinion.
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I'm w/ you Mizpeh ... on this one ... I had no problem with your delivery ... but that's just Dan being Dan.
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05-13-2007, 10:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mizpeh
If you don't watch tv but you watch YouTuBe then you are a hypocrite.
If you watch a church service podcast on the net but don't allow tv, you're a hypocrite.
Think about it.
Please report this post also.
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NUTS. There are millions of non-UPC people who choose not to have TV in their homes and many are not even very religious. Sooo if anyone of these watch a TV show somewhere... or a video on-line they are hypocrites??
That's plumb wierd. I do not have TV cable or broadcasts in my home and can honestly say it has nothing to do with UPC nor even anything my church does or recommends. Now I am a hypocrite?
Shows there are radicals on both sides of most every issue.
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05-13-2007, 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
NUTS. There are millions of non-UPC people who choose not to have TV in their homes and many are not even very religious. Sooo if anyone of these watch a TV show somewhere... or a video on-line they are hypocrites??
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Their choice is not based on a conviction from God or a dictate of a religious organization. If they were to speak against the evils of tv and consider themselves morally superior for not doing so (although they are not religious) and then watch tv, I find that hypocritical and so would those I know who are not Christians.
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