Survey About Doctrinal Beliefs - Page 6

OldPathsII · #51 02-17-2011, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

You have an opinion about the "Cons", however the truth is they were as difficult and "mean" as those you accuse. I have debated with them for years and tried to always be kind and respectful, and did make "friendly" with most of them. Because I was not offended by their strong opinions, even when they were mean. I have been where they are and therefore I understand the passion, but when I was honest with myself and studied the scriptures and history, I found that we had never been expose to the "whole" story.

So, if you want to ask questions, just accept folks answers as their opinion and don't get "sensitive", because that just doesn't fly here. We have been where you are, but you likely have not walked in our shoes, nor been were we are.

And BTW, my answers would all be "NO", except for the last one and it would be "YES". Read 1 Tim. 4:10, and you will find a very strong statement of why my answers are as stated.

No one is exempt from human tendancies so in that sense, I'll agree that both sides say things they shouldn't. But from what I've seen, when a person from the traditional apostolic heritage expresses that a person isn't right with God because of their lack of holding true to The Message, they're called mean. I don't see that as mean, I just see that as expressing truth. But when I express my thoughts here I"m mocked and made fun of, called crazy, a baby, laughed at. That's personal and I don't see the traditional apostolics getting personal at least in my exprience.

OldPathsII · #52 02-17-2011, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ReddMann24

I hope every trinitarian I know will go to heaven.

It takes a lot more than hope to go to heaven. I hope for world peace but that won't make any difference, will it?

OldPathsII · #53 02-17-2011, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by aegsm76

I pretty much agree with JA.

Thanks, that's 3.

MissBrattified · #54 02-17-2011, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by OldPathsII

I've expressed some dismay at the heavy criticism here when all I've done is promote the basic Acts2:38 New Birth message. It's basics of belief in repentance, baptism in water in Jesus' name, and the infilling of the Holy Ghost evidenced by speaking with other tongues.

So could I get an idea of what's here at AFF and just see what people believe by asking these questions?

1: Do you believe that water baptism must be done in the name of Jesus and that any other baptism is not a valid baptism?

Yes.

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2: Do you believe that the infilling of the Holy Ghost is evidenced only by speaking with other tongues?

I believe that tongues are the initial evidence, but not the only evidence.

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3: Do you believe these things are absolutely necessary in order to be saved and ready for heaven?

Yes.

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4: Do you hold as a core value the basics of traditional pentecostal holiness which is: Men: full length pants, shirts with sleeves, short hair, Women: uncut hair, no makeup, no pants, shirts with sleeves?

I believe in modesty and moderation, but no--I don't agree with every aspect of #4. Probably some of it.

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5: Do you believe a trinitarian will go to heaven?

If they've repented of their sins, been baptized in Jesus' name and are filled with the Holy Ghost, and are living a life of faith and obedience, then they have as good a chance as I do.

I don't think it's important that people fully understand the Godhead--I do think it's important that they believe Jesus is God.

OldPathsII · #55 02-17-2011, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by OldPathsII

Yes

Yes

Yes

No to all but two. Yes to short hair on men and uncut hair on a women.

NO

So would I understand this correctly in assuming you approve of shorts and tank-tops? I can understand short sleeves but I'll admit that tank-tops and shorts are pretty difficult for me.

Michlow · #56 02-17-2011, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferd

Dude at least one of AFFs heros doesnt even believe repentance is necessary. why would they believe you need to be baptized?

Well, I don't know that I would call myself a HERO...

Seriously though, I think everyone here knows that I am a simply a fringe element.

OldPathsII · #57 02-17-2011, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by aegsm76

CJ - I am not OPII, but I do agree with much of what you stated about some of the "cons". However, the same applied to many of the "libs". I think it is very easy to become too caught up with our own passion and forget our manners/civility. I am guilty of this myself.
I would say that the tone of the forum changed, 2 or so years ago and personal attacks were ignored, to a great extent.
I believe that the "cons" may have seen that they were taking things too personally and that led to the start of their own forum.
Hey, I just had a thought - AFF is like the UPCI!
We had a split with the "cons"
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now we have had a split with the "libs"!

What is the split with the libs?

Truthseeker · #58 02-17-2011, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by OldPathsII

No one is exempt from human tendancies so in that sense, I'll agree that both sides say things they shouldn't. But from what I've seen, when a person from the traditional apostolic heritage expresses that a person isn't right with God because of their lack of holding true to The Message, they're called mean. I don't see that as mean, I just see that as expressing truth. But when I express my thoughts here I"m mocked and made fun of, called crazy, a baby, laughed at. That's personal and I don't see the traditional apostolics getting personal at least in my exprience.

I wouldn't take a forum that personal, there are all kinds here. Just present what you believe. If truth, some will accept it and some won't. I try not to get personal even when someone else does. Some on both sides have issues with it.

OldPathsII · #59 02-17-2011, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Yes.

I believe that tongues are the initial evidence, but not the only evidence.

Yes.

I believe in modesty and moderation, but no--I don't agree with every aspect of #4. Probably some of it.

If they've repented of their sins, been baptized in Jesus' name and are filled with the Holy Ghost, and are living a life of faith and obedience, then they have as good a chance as I do.

I don't think it's important that people fully understand the Godhead--I do think it's important that they believe Jesus is God.

So can I ask a couple of questions: Do you believe that tongues is the only initial evidence? I understand there are other evidences of a person's infilling of the Holy Ghost, but I see only one initial evidence.

Secondly, what part of number 4 do you not agree with?

Truthseeker · #60 02-17-2011, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Light

So would I understand this correctly in assuming you approve of shorts and tank-tops? I can understand short sleeves but I'll admit that tank-tops and shorts are pretty difficult for me.

I wear very long shorts at the gym. Show no more then the sisters at church.