Apostolic Identity?? - Page 6

Cindy · #51 10-26-2010, 01:06 PM

I think Apostolic Identity should be if we are followers of the Apostle's teaching's. Or as Paul so aptly put it, follow me as I follow Christ.

whoami · #52 10-26-2010, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

I'm sorry, but when a significant group of people are claiming that it's their way or no way, that everyone else in the theological world is wrong, when NA Urshan found it impossible to call Walter Martin a "Brother" when Martin had no problem calling Urshan a brother, then it looks like "spewing." Sorry, but it's the truth.

There's no hostility here, just an honest evaluation of what it really is.

And by the way, it appears as though you're new here at AFF and I, for one, just want to say that I'm glad you're here!

Didn't Martin say towards the end of that debate though that if Urshan denied the Trinity that he was not his brother in Christ? Maybe I need to rewatch it, but I remember being a bit irritated at that part, seemed like they were both doing the same thing.

scotty · #53 10-26-2010, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy

I think Apostolic Identity should be if we are followers of the Apostle's teaching's. Or as Paul so aptly put it, follow me as I follow Christ.

KWSS1976 · #54 10-26-2010, 01:09 PM

I think the whole idea is stupid,just look at your examples in the bible..Everyone dressed the same..I mean Peter did not look any diffrent then the others in the crowd,Jesus even wore the same thing..But if you want to dress just so you can be identified with a particular church organization feel free to..But when I ask you why you do it,don't try to throw some piece of scripture out..

Cindy · #55 10-26-2010, 01:11 PM

My mom was Oneness and her best friend was an AOG. They fellow shipped greatly together. They did not agree on Baptism or the Godhead, but agreed on everything else. And they most definitely loved each other. My mom worked at Jack Coe's school in Dallas. She was a very strict Oneness, but got along great with AOG people. As a matter of fact her friend started home schooling, and I attended there for a short while.

notofworks · #56 10-26-2010, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by whoami

Didn't Martin say towards the end of that debate though that if Urshan denied the Trinity that he was not his brother in Christ? Maybe I need to rewatch it, but I remember being a bit irritated at that part, seemed like they were both doing the same thing.

I must admit I didn't watch the entire thing. My attention span didn't survive. But I know that in that setting, Martin called Urshan his brother and he knew going in what Urshan's theological views were.

I'm guessing that he may have been saying that if Urshan denied the existence...at all....of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, he wouldn't consider him a brother.

notofworks · #57 10-26-2010, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy

I think Apostolic Identity should be if we are followers of the Apostle's teaching's. Or as Paul so aptly put it, follow me as I follow Christ.

Where did he say that, exactly?

Praxeas · #58 10-26-2010, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by whoami

Didn't Martin say towards the end of that debate though that if Urshan denied the Trinity that he was not his brother in Christ? Maybe I need to rewatch it, but I remember being a bit irritated at that part, seemed like they were both doing the same thing.

I don't recall Martin calling Urshan or any Oneness person a brother in Christ. In fact he says we are a non-Christian cult

Here is the irony.
Trinitarians claim Oneness is a cult, because according to Oneness everyone else is not saved (not all OPs say that)

But according to Trinitarians everyone else is not saved (not all Trinitarians say that).

Yes I have had many trinitarians say I am not a brother in Christ and that OPs are not saved let alone Christian.

Cindy · #59 10-26-2010, 01:14 PM

I tried to become DB's friend on FB. He has too many friends.

notofworks · #60 10-26-2010, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

I don't recall Martin calling Urshan or any Oneness person a brother in Christ. In fact he says we are a non-Christian cult

Here is the irony.
Trinitarians claim Oneness is a cult, because according to Oneness everyone else is not saved (not all OPs say that)

But according to Trinitarians everyone else is not saved (not all Trinitarians say that).

Yes I have had many trinitarians say I am not a brother in Christ and that OPs are not saved let alone Christian.

I'll go look for it again, but it seems he challenged Urshan to call him a brother in Christ and Urshan wouldn't do it, and during the challenge, he said, "I'll call you that, but can you do the same?" or something to that effect. It would be kind of a stupid point to challenge a person to call you a brother if you couldn't do the same to them. One would only be pointing out his own exclusivity.