Protecting kids from church!!

[Sam]

speaking of protecting kids from church....

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/c...0a6f84bcbf.htm

[A.W. Bowman]

I have to wonder why the pastor is not in jail.

[misspresley]

Our twelve year old granddaughter is attending a Baptist school this year. She had a lesson on hell this week in Bible class. She was amazed that it is a fire lake, she'd never had such a vivid picture of hell before.

I'm thankful that she was saved as a result of the convicting love of Jesus and filled with the sweet Holy Ghost out of love for Him, rather than saved out of a fear of hell. Now is a better time for her to find out that hell is real, but not created for her as a child of God. She can have a relationship with Jesus, instead of a fear of hell.

[soldoutochrist]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

check out the church www.thevillagechurch.net and you will see the valid reasons why they don't have altar calls.

(Not to be completely off topic, but..) not sure which campus you attend, but I have heard some stuff from Matt Chandler. Neat.

[Falla39]

[QUOTE=Falla39;960375]If you don't feel there is a benefit in your children going to church, take full responsibility for their spiritual welfare at home. Then release them to God when they are older. If you can't find a church that you feel you and your family can worship and fellowship with, what are your alternatives!

I know churches aren't perfect because you have humans there. But those humans at home had better know what they are doing! We MUST train them up in the fear and admonition of the LORD, to the best of our ability and then leave the rest to GOD. There is that part that man can do and then there's that part that only GOD can do!! SAVE us and our children!
Blessings,
Falla39


Quote by Margies3:
I don't think I can agree with that. What I would hope would happen is that someone would take the SS teacher under their wings and teach them how to teach. Teach them that there are ways to approach children for the Lord and that there are also ways that are wrong to approach them for God. If this teacher is saying things like this to one child, they are also saying the same to others. Instead of taking his children out and leaving him/her to make the same mistakes over and over on other little ones, the pastor or someone needs to step in and make sure that the MISTAKE is corrected.


Margies3,
My post was basically in response to the thread's title and the No#1 post! There is no way we are going to be able to monitor everything our children hear in their young lives at school, at church, etc. If we have done our job at teaching them principals, etc., at home, when they heard something that doesn't sound just right or raises a question in their minds, in other words, something that bothers them, they will most likely bring their questions to you. If you try to bring up every thing they hear and make a big deal out of it, they will learn to make "a big deal" out of most everything.

The statement I made about not going to church was somewhat TIC. I captalized IF to emphesis that IF they didn't think anyone else was capable of teaching their children, do it yourself.

Our family from the first to the now 6th generation, has always gone to church. When our children questioned something they heard or didn't understand at school, church, etc., they would bring their questions home to us. If it was of signi-
ficance, we talked about it and set their minds at ease. Our wise father and mother had eleven children, and if they had made a big deal out of everything we kids heard, what a mess they would have had on their hands. Yes, if it was something that needed to be addressed more in depth, they knew how to approach it. And a few times it meant a trip to the school. Sometimes a note sufficed. I have done the same thing. Most times it was easier to defuse at home than to cause a big rukus from the home to the church house to the school house, etc. Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God. Taking a stand for something doesn't have to be a big public display, in the home, school or church.

There was a time Jesus wouldn't tell his disciples things because he knew
they would not understand it at the time anyway. Paul also. Just like new
converts. You destroy them before they are able to understand some things
because they are newborns. Don't feed the older with the newborns. One
needs milk and others need meat.

But to feel we have to PROTECT our children from the church, is something I don't agree with. Teach them innapproiate behaviour, absolutely, and protect them from predators, etc. But to name the church as to what they need to be protected from, is not somewhere I want to go.

Falla39

[Truthseeker]

[QUOTE=Falla39;961746]

Originally Posted by Falla39

If you don't feel there is a benefit in your children going to church, take full responsibility for their spiritual welfare at home. Then release them to God when they are older. If you can't find a church that you feel you and your family can worship and fellowship with, what are your alternatives!

I know churches aren't perfect because you have humans there. But those humans at home had better know what they are doing! We MUST train them up in the fear and admonition of the LORD, to the best of our ability and then leave the rest to GOD. There is that part that man can do and then there's that part that only GOD can do!! SAVE us and our children!
Blessings,
Falla39


Quote by Margies3:
I don't think I can agree with that. What I would hope would happen is that someone would take the SS teacher under their wings and teach them how to teach. Teach them that there are ways to approach children for the Lord and that there are also ways that are wrong to approach them for God. If this teacher is saying things like this to one child, they are also saying the same to others. Instead of taking his children out and leaving him/her to make the same mistakes over and over on other little ones, the pastor or someone needs to step in and make sure that the MISTAKE is corrected.


Margies3,
My post was basically in response to the thread's title and the No#1 post! There is no way we are going to be able to monitor everything our children hear in their young lives at school, at church, etc. If we have done our job at teaching them principals, etc., at home, when they heard something that doesn't sound just right or raises a question in their minds, in other words, something that bothers them, they will most likely bring their questions to you. If you try to bring up every thing they hear and make a big deal out of it, they will learn to make "a big deal" out of most everything.

The statement I made about not going to church was somewhat TIC. I captalized IF to emphesis that IF they didn't think anyone else was capable of teaching their children, do it yourself.

Our family from the first to the now 6th generation, has always gone to church. When our children questioned something they heard or didn't understand at school, church, etc., they would bring their questions home to us. If it was of signi-
ficance, we talked about it and set their minds at ease. Our wise father and mother had eleven children, and if they had made a big deal out of everything we kids heard, what a mess they would have had on their hands. Yes, if it was something that needed to be addressed more in depth, they knew how to approach it. And a few times it meant a trip to the school. Sometimes a note sufficed. I have done the same thing. Most times it was easier to defuse at home than to cause a big rukus from the home to the church house to the school house, etc. Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God. Taking a stand for something doesn't have to be a big public display, in the home, school or church.

There was a time Jesus wouldn't tell his disciples things because he knew
they would not understand it at the time anyway. Paul also. Just like new
converts. You destroy them before they are able to understand some things
because they are newborns. Don't feed the older with the newborns. One
needs milk and others need meat.

But to feel we have to PROTECT our children from the church, is something I don't agree with. Teach them innapproiate behaviour, absolutely, and protect them from predators, etc. But to name the church as to what they need to be protected from, is not somewhere I want to go.

Falla39

I agree some of what your saying, especially not making a rukus about everything our children hear and we don't even what my son heard in SS class we didn't. I just shared with some things to quide him in the right direction.

I do think one would be in denial to not think church experiences can be hindrances to children growing up and remaining in church.

[Falla39]

[QUOTE=Truthseeker;961751][QUOTE=Falla39;961746]

I agree some of what your saying, especially not making a rukus about everything our children hear and we don't even what my son heard in SS class we didn't. I just shared with some things to quide him in the right direction.

I do think one would be in denial to not think church experiences can be hindrances to children growing up and remaining in church.[/QUOTE]

1.Wise father

2. Absolutely, but there again, a wise father will be the link to those
hindrances.

3. I turned 50 yrs old and one month later my beloved father was gone. I
was now on my own to trust the GOD of my earthly father. Daddy's not
here any longer in person, but his influence lingers still, soon be 21 yrs.
and I have learned to go to my heavenly Father for any and everything I
need counseling. I ask for His Wisdom, His leading and direction in every
area of my life. He has never failed me or lied to me. HE never will. I find in
HIM ALL that I need. HE satisfies my every longing! I LOVE HIM SO!

Blessings,
Falla39

[Truthseeker]

[QUOTE=Falla39;961766][QUOTE=Truthseeker;961751]

Originally Posted by Falla39

I agree some of what your saying, especially not making a rukus about everything our children hear and we don't even what my son heard in SS class we didn't. I just shared with some things to quide him in the right direction.

I do think one would be in denial to not think church experiences can be hindrances to children growing up and remaining in church.[/QUOTE]

1.Wise father

2. Absolutely, but there again, a wise father will be the link to those
hindrances.

3. I turned 50 yrs old and one month later my beloved father was gone. I
was now on my own to trust the GOD of my earthly father. Daddy's not
here any longer in person, but his influence lingers still, soon be 21 yrs.
and I have learned to go to my heavenly Father for any and everything I
need counseling. I ask for His Wisdom, His leading and direction in every
area of my life. He has never failed me or lied to me. HE never will. I find in
HIM ALL that I need. HE satisfies my every longing! I LOVE HIM SO!

Blessings,
Falla39

Anothrer point to consider is that the church you grew up in and todays, are probably alot different.

[Emma Bontrager]

Whenever my children think they've been hurt by the church, I prayerfully remind them not to touch God's anointed. We NEVER speak badly of the bishop or any church leaders. When that one bishop ran off with another's wife, we told our children not to touch God's anointed, God would take care of it. When our son was chastised by that same man for his radio and told he would go to hell if he didn't get rid of that radio and that he was being influenced by worldy music, we just agreed with the man of God even though the man was in adultery at the time. You can't question God why men are in positions of power and your kids just have to get over it and live for God anyway. That's what we tell our kids. We expect all of them to be in church when they are older or we will pray them out of hell if they leave. It won't be anybodies fault but their own if they end up on the wrong side of God's blessings.

[commonsense]

My children are all in their 30's but as youngsters they often heard things we did not agree with.
The problem was we didn't know. We visited other churches on weekend trips or at camp etc And they heard teaching we didn't always support. But we didn't find out until months or years later.

Basically, they thought if it was at church....it must be correct.


I can't undo any of it but it disturbs me that this sort of thing still happens.

Playing the fear card in SS to get kids to the altar.

I don't have any specific stories to relate, it's been too long, but there were ideas planted that influenced later anti church decisions.