The Church has always persecuted Fresh Moves of God

[rrford]

Originally Posted by keith4him

Care to elaborate since what I believe about the church is wrong?

I like what someone else said, religion in the form of the church has persecuted renewal movements most of the time, I am sorry for my ambiguity but lately its about the only thing that gets people to respond.

As long as you recognize tha ambiguity then we are okay.

I will agree that "religion" has indeed persecuted fresh moves of God. That probably will not end until eternity begins.

But I think we all know that on a Forum like this, discussing this type of topic, terms are incredibly important. How we define the terms you used is paramount to agreement. If we cannot agree on the terms then we most definitely will not find cohesiveness on cause and effects.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by rrford

As long as you recognize tha ambiguity then we are okay.

I will agree that "religion" has indeed persecuted fresh moves of God. That probably will not end until eternity begins.

But I think we all know that on a Forum like this, discussing this type of topic, terms are incredibly important. How we define the terms you used is paramount to agreement. If we cannot agree on the terms then we most definitely will not find cohesiveness on cause and effects.

But it is helpful to realize that these persecuting forces has always claimed the authority of the church and orthodoxy and with the mindset of protecting the flock.

[Pastor Keith]

WOW, I wished I could find this book that I am looking for, I believe by
De Arteaga,

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Consignor

I am going to type very slowly and deliberately this time, Rev.
I have sufficient reading comprehension to ascertain that Peter was out of whack in that particular instance.

What you seem to be missing is the part about the difference between an individual (Peter), one person...unos...singular, resisting something, and the entire church, broad brush, pandemic, resisting or persecuting a move of God.

I have a grand piano that I want to sell because it is getting old enough that it won't hold tune properly.

I plan to sell it and free up the space on the platform by replacing it with a keyboard.

I have a lady who doesn't like the idea.

That does not give me leave to start a thread saying "The Church has always persecuted those who want to sell grand pianos."

Are you getting the picture now?

Bad attitude.

An airplane with bad attitude is hard to keep flying and may very well fall from the sky.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by keith4him

But it is helpful to realize that these persecuting forces has always claimed the authority of the church and orthodoxy and with the mindset of protecting the flock.

But we all know that all of those who claimed the authority of "the Church" were not part of "the Church."


See? There is that terminology stuff again.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by COOPER

Bad attitude.

An airplane with bad attitude is hard to keep flying and may very well fall from the sky.

Thanks for letting us know that you have a bad attitude. The first step in fixing it is admitting it. We shall hope you find your "attitude adjustor" and fly level.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by rrford

But we all know that all of those who claimed the authority of "the Church" were not part of "the Church."


See? There is that terminology stuff again.

Yeah, but they believed they were, scary! Really does come down to the heart doesn't it, that kingdom within.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by keith4him

Yeah, but they believed they were, scary!

It should cause a soberness in all of us.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by rrford

It should cause a soberness in all of us.

My point in this thread, as I looked over the course of church history, most if not all of what were genuine renewal movements were intially fought from within the institutional church. From the Judaizers down to the Wesley Methodists the first opposition was from within. We will be moving forward into an unprecendented manifestation of God, I pray we don't miss this time of visitation.

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by rrford

Thanks for letting us know that you have a bad attitude. The first step in fixing it is admitting it. We shall hope you find your "attitude adjustor" and fly level.

we are happy people..yes we are!