Genesis,creation and formation

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Joel, let me use an illustration. Supposing I take some clay...I use my hands to form the clay into a pot.....I just MADE a pot by FORMING it with my hands...get it? Adam was made, the bible says Adam was made...made and created...Genesis 2 shows us HOW he was made and HOW he was created...made by being formed of the dust of the earth and created by becoming a living being when God breathed life into that formed thing.

Not one shred of bible says it was not natural ground...nor does it say the trees were not natural. It only says TWO trees were different...the tree of life and the tree of knowledge. Did you read what I posted from the TWOT on the words Adam? It comes from the word Adama...which is the word we use for ground in the hebrew


The ground God created in Chapter one was un natural?


God created angels. God created the earth and caused the earth to grow vegitation. We see God did that on the sixth day and we see in chapter 2 God doing it....Chapter 2 is clearly the 6th day elaborated on

PRAX SAID<The problem is the bible says God formed him FROM THE GROUND...AND THEN breathed LIFE into him. If Adam already was created was he lifeless? Did he have a body made from the ground yet?



No...it says when God formed MAN from the ground he THEN breathed life into him and then and only then did man become a living being or soul. He was made from dirt

Look Joel...why does God call them Adam (man) in chapter 1? You know why? Because in Chapter 2 God made Adam from the Adama! Adama is the hebrew word for ground. Adam is the hebrew word for man used in the first two chapters and it comes from the hebrew word for Ground....Man in chapter one was made from the GROUND just as MAN in chapter 2 is made from the Ground. There is not one verse that shows the ground was different

Ok,believe what you like.I only say something two or three times to a person.

[Joelel]

This shows very clearly the trees in the garden were not natural and it says the trees in the garden grows out of the ground.The trees were not natural trees as we know trees and neither was the ground.

Who were these trees in the Garden ? Ezekiel031:001 And it came to pass in the eleventh year, in the third month, in the first day of the month, that the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 031:002Son of man, speak unto Pharaoh king of Egypt, and to his multitude; Whom art thou like in thy greatness? 031:003Behold, the Assyrian (SATAN THE SERPENT)was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs. 031:004The waters made him great, the deep set him up on high with her rivers running round about his plants, and sent her little rivers unto all the trees (ANGELS)of the field. 031:005Therefore his (SATAN<THE SERPENT)height was exalted above all the trees (ANGELS)of the field, and his boughs were multiplied, and his branches became long because of the multitude of waters, when he shot forth. 031:006All the fowls of heaven made their nests in his boughs, and under his branches did all the beasts of the field bring forth their young, and under his shadow dwelt all great nations (OTHER RACES). 031:007Thus was he (SATAN)fair in his greatness, in the length of his branches: for his root was by great waters. 031:008The cedars (OTHER ANGELS)in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him (SATAN)in his beauty. 031:009I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him. 031:010Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou (SATAN)hast lifted up thyself in height, and he hath shot up his top among the thick boughs, and his heart is lifted up in his height; 031:011I have therefore delivered him (SATAN)into the hand of the mighty one of the heathen; he shall surely deal with him: I have driven him out (OF THE GARDEN<HEAVEN)for his wickedness. 031:012And strangers, the terrible of the nations, have cut him off, and have left him: upon the mountains and in all the valleys his branches are fallen, and his boughs are broken by all the rivers of the land; and all the people of the earth are gone down from his shadow, and have left him. 031:013Upon his ruin shall all the fowls of the heaven remain, and all the beasts of the field shall be upon his branches: 031:014To the end that none of all the trees by the waters exalt themselves for their height, neither shoot up their top among the thick boughs, neither their trees stand up in their height, all that drink water: for they are all delivered unto death, to the nether parts of the earth(HELL), in the midst of the children of men,(THE UNSAVED) with them that go down to the pit. 031:015Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day when he (SATAN FELL FROM HEAVEN<THE GARDEN)went down to the grave I caused a mourning: I covered the deep for him, and I restrained the floods thereof, and the great waters were stayed: and I caused Lebanon to mourn for him, and all the trees of the field fainted for him. 031:016I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth. 031:017They also went down into hell with him unto them that be slain with the sword; and they that were his arm, that dwelt under his shadow in the midst of the heathen. 031:018To whom art thou thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden? yet shalt thou be brought down with the trees of Eden unto the nether parts of the earth: thou shalt lie in the midst of the uncircumcised with them that be slain by the sword. This is Pharaoh and all his multitude, saith the Lord GOD

Gen.2
[9] And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Originally Posted by Joelel

So I guess the bible is wrong according to you.Gen.6
[2] That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
[4] There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
[10] And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
[18] But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.

Maybe you should go back and actually read the words in my post.

[Joelel]

Who was thes trees in the garden of Eden?Ezk.031:008The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.

These were not natural trees.Natural trees can't envie 031:009I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.

Trees don't have hearts.031:010Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast lifted up thyself in height, and he hath shot up his top among the thick boughs, and his heart is lifted up in his height;

The bottom line is, who is this cedar tree that Pharaoh is like? 031:002Son of man, speak unto Pharaoh king of Egypt, and to his multitude; Whom art thou like in thy greatness? 031:003Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches,

Who is all the nations that shook at his fall? 031:016I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.

Who ever heard of a natural tree having fruit of knoweldge of good and evil?Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Who ever seen a talking serpent?Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Chan

Maybe you should go back and actually read the words in my post.

I did read it first you said Jesus is the only Son of God then you changed it in an other post showing differance in son and Son and a bunch of other things.

Originally Posted by Joelel

I did read it first you said Jesus is the only Son of God then you changed it in an other post showing differance in son and Son and a bunch of other things.

I didn't CHANGE anything. It has been my position all along that Jesus is the only Son of God and that any other sons are sons and not Sons.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Chan

I didn't CHANGE anything. It has been my position all along that Jesus is the only Son of God and that any other sons are sons and not Sons.

Ok

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Joelel

Go back and read your post,you said Seith was the first to seek God.Something like that.

No I never said that.

Originally Posted by mfblume

The sons of God were Seth's descendants. They were servants of God. Since the MEN choose to marry women, and not women making the initial step to choose to marry men, and since godly men are not to marry ungodly women, we read that the SONS OF GOD (males from Seth's line) married "daughters of men" (sinner women from Cain's line).

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by mfblume

No I never said that.

I SAID SOMETHING LIKE THAT,I SAID SEITH AND YOU SAID SEIT"S descendants.Sorry I was Desendents off.

[Praxeas]

the word for son in the geneologies in the gospels is missing when in reference to Adam...it simply says "of God".

I don't see any reason why the sons of Seth are called the Sons of God. Who were the men? Who were the daughters of men? Wasn't Adam a man and his sons also men?

Gen 6:1 When man (Adam) began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them,