Apostolic Women...Apostolic Nuns...

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by rrford

It could be, but I doubt it. Personally, I am around Apostolics on a regular basis. Very rarely do I see the mindset put forth that you speak of. It does happen, but I do not consider it a normal reaction at all.

I think it is an ingrained and even inbread attitude to the extent women don't even consider any other reason or motiviation or direction. It is just the way things are done and the way they have always been done, it was the way I was taught, it was good enough for gramma, it was good enough for mama, it is good enough for me. I have been told that God expects this so I will do it, and I have to obey.

The problem is that it is based and steeped more in tradition and culture than it is toward consideration of what is really pleasing unto the Lord.

[Newman]

Originally Posted by rrford

Carp, believe it or not the mesage could simply be "I am holy and separated unto God." It does not have to have anything to do woth the "and you are not."

2 women I can think of who exemplify the view I have espoused come to mind: My wife and yours.

LOL How can he argue that?

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

I think it is an ingrained and even inbread attitude to the extent women don't even consider any other reason or motiviation or direction. It is just the way things are done and the way they have always been done, it was the way I was taught, it was good enough for gramma, it was good enough for mama, it is good enough for me. I have been told that God expects this so I will do it, and I have to obey.

The problem is that it is based and steeped more in tradition and culture than it is toward consideration of what is really pleasing unto the Lord.

Sorry. I just don't see that attitude portrayed or espoused on a wholesale basis.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

Believe it or not, I know some women who wear the uniform that inwardly are more like the world than wicked women I have only read about. Also, there are women who possess the fruits of the spirit and are mentally, emotionally, and spiritually separated, yet I couldn't pick them out of a crowd.

I am not sure and I question which is more important?

Yeah, yeah, I know some hypocrites too.

I also have seen coon dogs that wouldn't tree coons, bird dogs that wouldn't point birds, cars that woulsdn't start, guns with busted firing pins that looked fine but wouldn't shoot, and paper airplanes that wouldn't fly.

As for the4 separated women who can't be picked out of the crowd, i guess it would depend on the crowd.

But now we're getting subjective.

Carp, nobody denies that there are men and women who look Apostolic who aren't even Christians, judging by their fruits, but that doesn't really cut any ice.

that is just a part of the human condition.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Newman

LOL How can he argue that??

He can't if he wants friends and to stay happily married.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

I think it is an ingrained and even inbread attitude to the extent women don't even consider any other reason or motiviation or direction. It is just the way things are done and the way they have always been done, it was the way I was taught, it was good enough for gramma, it was good enough for mama, it is good enough for me. I have been told that God expects this so I will do it, and I have to obey.

The problem is that it is based and steeped more in tradition and culture than it is toward consideration of what is really pleasing unto the Lord.

This post is an opinion.

And I happen to disagree with it.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

This post is an opinion.

And I happen to disagree with it.

Me too.

"In the mouth of two or three witnesses..."

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by rrford

Me too.

"In the mouth of two or three witnesses..."

I make three.

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by rrford

And I would disagree with your analysis of what that message is. The way one dresses is not intended to send a "message" per se to God or the world. It is simply the effect of one realizing God does expect modesty and moderation. The only message that sends is obedience to His word. Now we could extrapolate many more opinions into it, but at it's core I believe that should be the intent.

Now I get to disagree with you.

The way one dresses is not intended to send a message? Cmon man, that is what standards are about for the mostpart, identification with a group of people that have the same beliefs. The internal message is that what you wear should be holy because if you do not, then you are decidedly NOT holy. The external message is to communicate to people that we are separate because we dress holy. The church lauds testimony of women who say people stop them on the street to ask them about the message they are sending through their appearance/dress.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

It is hypocritical Carp. One of the basic tenants of liberal AFF posters is that you can't judge a heart, motives, or attitude by the way someone is dressed. This is usually pointed out when libs refute cons assertions that you CAN assess a person's inward spirituality by the way someone dresses.

Are you now saying that those cons are right? Is a woman who wears jeans or sleeveless shirts a sinner? Are you qualified to make that assessment?

Bump for Carp.