Has Jon Suber embraced the One Step Doctrine?

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by CC1

Your posts usually make a lot of sense but I am still puzzled by your assertion here.

Give me one logical reason a 1 stepper would have to be irritated or defensive about their statement of faith? That makes no sense and I have NEVER seen it.

I would expect both 3 steppers and 1 steppers to be content with their statements of faith since it reflects what they actually believe.

The only ones who should not be content are ones who might camouflage their true beliefs in some vague statement.

1... Just because you've never seen it... why does that even matter? The fact is, I've seen it. That's my point.
2... Just because YOU don't see the logic behind it, doesn't mean it doesn't make any sense. As a matter of fact, based on certain factors involved, it makes perfect sense that some would act this way... right or wrong.

In one particular case, I knew one of the pastors had come from a 3-stepper background, but had gradually drifted toward the 1-step position. He left his doctrinal position on salvation very vague on his website, evidently because he knew that those who knew him in his 3-stepper days would take issue with his new position. Whenever he was asked about his position he would always seem to be a bit evasive, or even a bit defensive.

I have known of more than a few preachers who have done this [former 3-steppers turned 1-step], in order to remain "under the radar" so to speak, and away from the attention and questions from 3-step ministers and saints they've known for years.

Originally Posted by CC1

The only ones who should not be content are ones who might camouflage their true beliefs in some vague statement.

Well, thats exactly what I'm talking about.. 1-steppers who camouflage their true beliefs,but get defensive when questioned about the way they vaguely word certain things.

[Jermyn Davidson]

I say again:

Clarity is the burden of the communicator.

[Sister Alvear]

Should we not all be kind?

I didn´t sleep because of chest pains and being at ER all night. I was praying the whole time for my enemies not my friends...We are only his disciple if we can be kind to our enemies....
I think we can all make a statement of faith and be nice about it.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by 1399

I say again:

Clarity is the burden of the communicator.

I agree.
However, some seem to believe it's just fine to make the Statement of Faith a bit vague (intentionally) so as not to "scare anyone off" with any of "that doctrinal stuff".

...But in that case why even have a S.O.F then, if they're gonna be hiding what they believe? Better to not even have one, if that's the way they think. Isn't the idea of a Statement of Faith to state what you believe?

Just seems inherently contradictory to me...

[Scott Hutchinson]

To me the statement of faith doesn't necessarily embrace the PCI view.It's just a basic statement of faith.
When someone leaves an org. alot of times people assume things,to some if you're outside of the org. you're outside of the faith.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

1... Just because you've never seen it... why does that even matter? The fact is, I've seen it. That's my point.
2... Just because YOU don't see the logic behind it, doesn't mean it doesn't make any sense. As a matter of fact, based on certain factors involved, it makes perfect sense that some would act this way... right or wrong.

In one particular case, I knew one of the pastors had come from a 3-stepper background, but had gradually drifted toward the 1-step position. He left his doctrinal position on salvation very vague on his website, evidently because he knew that those who knew him in his 3-stepper days would take issue with his new position. Whenever he was asked about his position he would always seem to be a bit evasive, or even a bit defensive.

I have known of more than a few preachers who have done this [former 3-steppers turned 1-step], in order to remain "under the radar" so to speak, and away from the attention and questions from 3-step ministers and saints they've known for years.

Well, thats exactly what I'm talking about.. 1-steppers who camouflage their true beliefs,but get defensive when questioned about the way they vaguely word certain things.

Thanks for explaining what you meant. I can understand what you mean now. I personally have only been around 1 steppers that have no qualms about their beliefs so found it strange that you would think some would.

However your explanation makes sense. Those that had an apparent solid 3 stepper stance when UPC then after they have "gone charismatic" and left the standards appear with a SOF that appears 1 stepper might be sensitive to declaring that change if they fear losing friends or creating conflict within family, etc. Still hard for me to understand though because you believe what you believe and if you believe it should not have a problem stating it clearly.

[Scott Hutchinson]

I apologize if my last post sounded harsh,as it wasn't meant that way.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

I apologize if my last post sounded harsh,as it wasn't meant that way.

Dude, not harsh in the least bit. How are ya? Would you like for me to fix you a peanut butter and jelly sandwich? I got milk too!

[Scott Hutchinson]

I like peanut butter and jelly alot,how am I ? it's kinda hard to explain. I'll say ok by faith.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Weary Pilgrim

I noticed that Suber's church website has a statement of faith that sounds like a one stepper. I thought that might be shocking to his many fans. Of course it could be the statement from when it was under the previous pastor but I can't imagine that pastor giving the church to someone doctrinally different than himself.

Here is the church website;

http://faithtabernacleshreveport.org/

Sounds good to me, how would think his statement of faith to be problematic?