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Old 04-08-2010, 10:37 AM
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Maybe it is just me, but if even one scripture is proven as added, or changed, or altered by human intervention, it would seem to open up the rest of it as questionable. That might say more about my faith than I would like it to, lol.
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Maybe it is just me, but if even one scripture is proven as added, or changed, or altered by human intervention, it would seem to open up the rest of it as questionable.

That's how it strikes me. Especially since people who are baptized repeating the words found in Matt. 28:19 are supposedly going to hell. Just think, if that verse weren't in there, everyone probably would have used the phrase found in Acts 2:38. Just think how many more people could have been saved because they were baptized 'correctly'. So God allowed a verse to get into the Bible that will send people to hell. I can't express how much that idea bothers me.
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There is not one single shred of evidence indicating the Matthew 28:19 us spurious:

http://www.goodnewscafe.net/showthre...79961#poststop

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Most Catholic, Protestant and secular encyclopedias question the validity of the Trinitarian method of baptism and the original manuscripts.

Also, what more internal evidence do you need other than the fact that no one was ever baptised in the NT using the Trinitarian formula. That speaks volumes in itself!
We don't have any instance in our KJV New Testament where it quotes the words that were spoken during the water baptism ritual.
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Maybe it is just me, but if even one scripture is proven as added, or changed, or altered by human intervention, it would seem to open up the rest of it as questionable. That might say more about my faith than I would like it to, lol.
There are hundreds, maybe thousands, of variant wordings among the oldest manuscripts. Some were undoubtedly innocent and inconsequential transcription errors, but some are more significant and appear to be deliberate (and well-intentioned, presumably). Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think this is in dispute, even among conservative scholars, except in a number of specifics, of course.
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That's how it strikes me. Especially since people who are baptized repeating the words found in Matt. 28:19 are supposedly going to hell. Just think, if that verse weren't in there, everyone probably would have used the phrase found in Acts 2:38. Just think how many more people could have been saved because they were baptized 'correctly'. So God allowed a verse to get into the Bible that will send people to hell. I can't express how much that idea bothers me.
hmmm and why does God allow false prophets... and why do you accept simply by faith without question what people call the Bible? because to not have something solid and without question true would mess your faith up would it not? Yet unless you are a whacked KJV only person you actually can't say scripture is without error.
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Maybe it is just me, but if even one scripture is proven as added, or changed, or altered by human intervention, it would seem to open up the rest of it as questionable. That might say more about my faith than I would like it to, lol.
This does point out the need for taking a careful and scholarly approach to the Bible. It would be silly to just jump right in and force everything into a meaning that suited our own personal views and tastes.

You have to consider the vast number of manuscript witnesses that we have as well, before throwing the whole thing out. There are "problem" passages. Most of these are more clearly understood by reviewing the large number of copies. In many cases you can see where a note that had been added to a margin later found its way into the text.

If a scribe made a mistake and left out a word or two - a few such corrections were permissible in the margins. Later copyists would then come along and correct the the mistake in future copies. However, when a small not was added it might be mistaken for a correction and brought into the body of the text.

Examples of these types of things are well known to textual scholars and haven't really cast much doubt on the inspiration of the Bible as a whole in over 2,000 years.
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hmmm and why does God allow false prophets... and why do you accept simply by faith without question what people call the Bible? because to not have something solid and without question true would mess your faith up would it not? Yet unless you are a whacked KJV only person you actually can't say scripture is without error.
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