|
Tab Menu 1
| Fellowship Hall The place to go for Fellowship & Fun! |
 |
|
07-04-2008, 10:06 AM
|
 |
Registered Member
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 2,684
|
|
|
Re: Why Did God Create Lucifer?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bro-Larry
"Foreknowledge" is the key to this riddle. God foreknows what choices will be made by His creation. This does not prevent any creature from exercising his free will. We can know this, because God already had a plan of redemption, for mankind, ready before the foundation of the world.
God does not control the choices, but He knows beforehand what choices they will make. If God was controlling the choices, why didn't He run down to Eden real fast and slap that fruit out of Eve's hand?
Angels obviously have the power of choice, but not the legal right of choice. The devil made choices that he had no authority to make, therefore punishment is all he should expect to recieve. There is no plan for the redemption of fallen angels.
The robber, who takes a gun and robs a bank, has the power, but not the authority to do that. When the authorities catch him, they will take away his power, and punishment is all he should expect to recieve. The judge is not going to say, "Go in peace and sin no more".
|
If God foreknows what a person will do can that person do otherwise?
__________________
"I have had a perfectly wonderful evening, but this wasn't it."
- Groucho Marx
|
07-04-2008, 12:34 PM
|
 |
"It's Never Too Late"
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 4,415
|
|
|
Re: Why Did God Create Lucifer?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
God is omniscient = all knowing.
God is omnipresent = everywhere at once, not confined to present.
Why Did God Create Lucifer?
|
He created the Angels.
Not just Lucifer.
With Lucifer you have Michael.
Without Lucifer and his fall.
You do not have a Michael with his praise.
I will take the bad, to know the good.
|
07-04-2008, 03:58 PM
|
 |
I believe the Gospel of Jesus
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: North end of DFW Airport
Posts: 1,375
|
|
|
Re: Why Did God Create Lucifer?
Quote:
Originally Posted by ReformedDave
If God foreknows what a person will do can that person do otherwise?
|
Yes, he could change his choice before the fact, but God would foreknow it. How could God foreknow it if it didn't come to pass?
__________________
The Gospel of Jesus Christ: Jesus bore away my sins, my sickness, and my poverty. That covers it all. Everything else is just legalism.
|
07-04-2008, 04:27 PM
|
|
Registered Member
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 10,749
|
|
|
Re: Why Did God Create Lucifer?
Quote:
Originally Posted by ReformedDave
If God foreknows what a person will do can that person do otherwise?
|
God's foreknowledge doesn't have an impact on the decisions someone makes. All it means is God knows the end from the beginning.
__________________
His banner over me is LOVE....  My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
|
07-04-2008, 04:32 PM
|
 |
Supercalifragilisticexpiali...
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 19,197
|
|
|
Re: Why Did God Create Lucifer?
Quote:
Originally Posted by DerrickS
Did he know that he would rebel? I say no.
|
Hmmm.... Perhaps Lucifer was predestined to fall... after all the antidote for sin was conceived before the foundation of the world.
__________________
"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
|
07-04-2008, 04:37 PM
|
|
I believe the Gospel of Jesus
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: North end of DFW Airport
Posts: 1,375
|
|
|
Re: Why Did God Create Lucifer?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
God is omniscient = all knowing.
God is omnipresent = everywhere at once, not confined to present.
Why Did God Create Lucifer?
|
It appears to me, from the limited info we have of the pre-Adamic angel, who was referred to as "Lucifer, son of the morning", that he was one of three archangels. Some people believe he was in charge of worship before the throne of God. The one time in the Bible where he is referred to in that name is ( Isa 14:12). There is so much symbolism and ambiguity here, that I have a hard time separating when it refers to him, and when it refers to the king of Babylon.
( Ez 28:13), probably gives us the best pre-Adamic description of the arch-angel who was referred to as "Lucifer". He is typified as the king of Tyrus. He was perfect in beauty, full of wisdom, covered with every colorful and precious stone, he held a high position, very close to THE LORD GOD.
His pride resulted in the loss of his position, his good name, his beauty, even his body. When he showed up in the garden of Eden, he had no physical body. His precious stone covering was gone. He had to use the body of a snake for Eve to even be able to see him.
__________________
The Gospel of Jesus Christ: Jesus bore away my sins, my sickness, and my poverty. That covers it all. Everything else is just legalism.
|
07-04-2008, 04:41 PM
|
|
I believe the Gospel of Jesus
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: North end of DFW Airport
Posts: 1,375
|
|
|
Re: Why Did God Create Lucifer?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Hmmm.... Perhaps Lucipher was predestined to fall... after all the atidote for sin was concieved before the foundation of the world.
|
( Ez 28:17) tells us that his beauty caused his heart to be lifted up in pride. ( Ps 18:16) says, "Pride goeth before destruction...".
__________________
The Gospel of Jesus Christ: Jesus bore away my sins, my sickness, and my poverty. That covers it all. Everything else is just legalism.
|
07-04-2008, 04:54 PM
|
|
Supercalifragilisticexpiali...
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 19,197
|
|
|
Re: Why Did God Create Lucifer?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bro-Larry
( Isa 14:17) tells us that his beauty caused his heart to be lifted up in pride. ( Ps 18:16) says, "Pride goeth before destruction...". |
We know God gave the beauty and the capacity for pride...
__________________
"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
|
07-04-2008, 06:23 PM
|
|
I believe the Gospel of Jesus
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: North end of DFW Airport
Posts: 1,375
|
|
|
Re: Why Did God Create Lucifer?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind
Michael or Gabriel could have easily been the one to rebel. The real question is, did anything in Lucifer's creative makeup lead him to rebel? Such as if God made him less beautiful or the messenger angel instead of the worship angel. Lucifer must have been preordained to fall. If preordained to fall, will God feel some responsibility and redeem Lucifer in the future?
|
(Ez 28:17) tells us that his beauty caused his heart to be lifted up in pride. ( Ps 18:16) says, "Pride goeth before destruction...".
He still could have made the right choice. Nobody made him do the wrong thing. Am I sounding like DR Laura? LOLOL
__________________
The Gospel of Jesus Christ: Jesus bore away my sins, my sickness, and my poverty. That covers it all. Everything else is just legalism.
|
07-04-2008, 06:24 PM
|
|
Registered Member
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 2,684
|
|
|
Re: Why Did God Create Lucifer?
Quote:
Originally Posted by mizpeh
God's foreknowledge doesn't have an impact on the decisions someone makes. All it means is God knows the end from the beginning.
|
Try to do something outside of His foreknowledge........bet ya can't!
__________________
"I have had a perfectly wonderful evening, but this wasn't it."
- Groucho Marx
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
|
|
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:25 PM.
| |
Linear Mode
