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06-25-2008, 07:57 PM
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Re: God Does Not Use The "works Of The Devil"
It is easy to reconcile these scriptures when they are taken in context. Christ was asked " 2And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
3Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him."
Christ was asked which one of the parents or son's sin caused him to be blind? It was not a question if they ever sinned.
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06-25-2008, 07:58 PM
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Re: God Does Not Use The "works Of The Devil"
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Actually, I think they are talking about the blind man, not the lame man.
John 9:1-3 (KJV)
1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. 2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? 3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him. |
Rico, why are you taking up for ReeferDave?? Man, I thought were my friend.
   
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06-25-2008, 07:58 PM
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Re: God Does Not Use The "works Of The Devil"
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Rico, You left out part of the passage.
It is true that God raised Pharaoh up [to the throne] for His own purpose, but God did not harden Pharoah's heart. Pharoah had the choice to do right or to do wrong. It would be unjust and unrighteous for God to harden Pharaoh's heart against Pharaoh's will. God is neither unjust nor unrighteous.
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So when scripture states that God hardened pharoah's heart God didn't really mean that?
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06-25-2008, 07:59 PM
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Re: God Does Not Use The "works Of The Devil"
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ReeferDave? You sound like the one smoking.......
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06-25-2008, 08:02 PM
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Re: God Does Not Use The "works Of The Devil"
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It is easy to reconcile these scriptures when they are taken in context. Christ was asked " 2And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
3Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him."
Christ was asked which one of the parents or son's sin caused him to be blind? It was not a question if they ever sinned.
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ReDave, You extrapulated that. You added to that scripture. You had to interpret. You did exactly what you accused me of doing.
BTW: I admitted several times that I have to interpret KJV. There's no other way to understand it.
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06-25-2008, 08:05 PM
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Re: God Does Not Use The "works Of The Devil"
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ReeferDave? You sound like the one smoking.......
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Smoking? I said nothing about smoking. You interpreted that.
I said it in jest, Bro.
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06-25-2008, 08:06 PM
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Re: God Does Not Use The "works Of The Devil"
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ReDave, You extrapulated that. You added to that scripture. You had to interpret. You did exactly what you accused me of doing.
BTW: I admitted several times that I have to interpret KJV. There's no other way to understand it.
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No not really. I read the verse in it's entirety. It says what it means.
You have never answered my contention. If scripture has so many mistakes how do you KNOW which ones are correct?
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06-25-2008, 08:19 PM
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Re: God Does Not Use The "works Of The Devil"
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Originally Posted by Bro-Larry
Rico, You left out part of the passage.
It is true that God raised Pharaoh up [to the throne] for His own purpose, but God did not harden Pharoah's heart. Pharoah had the choice to do right or to do wrong. It would be unjust and unrighteous for God to harden Pharaoh's heart against Pharaoh's will. God is neither unjust nor unrighteous.
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Ex 9:12 (KJV)
12 And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had spoken unto Moses.
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06-25-2008, 08:21 PM
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Re: God Does Not Use The "works Of The Devil"
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Sounds like talking points to me. Dave, let me give you an example of an apparent contradiction in the KJV, then we'll see how you explain it.
In ( Jn 9:3) KJV says, that Jesus answered. "Neither has this man sinned, nor his parents:..."; then, in ( Rom 3:23) it says "For all have sinned,...".
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Larry, in the first passage you quoted Jesus was answering the question asked by those around him. They wanted to know who had sinned to cause this man's illness. Jesus was simply answering their question, in the context in which they asked it. He wasn't trying to say this man's parents had never sinned.
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06-25-2008, 08:23 PM
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Re: God Does Not Use The "works Of The Devil"
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 I'm not taking up for him as much as I am trying to show you that your claims against God are false.
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