Revisiting the "PANTS" Issue

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

This is 100% true, I have seen and lived both sides of this fence brother! I remember when I turned 18 it was spring and I was still in High School. Our music director (who was also my friend) asked me if I wanted to go to the strip club with him... Scary stuff...

LOL!! I was never tempted by strip clubs. To me that is like going to Dairy Queen and asking them to set a Banana Split on your table complete with nuts, whipped cream, and a cherry on top but that you are only going to look at it.

[StMark]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

St. Mark, this is a canned and traditional response to the pants issue. In fact this echos in my ears coming from the pulpit in the last decades.

I have seen some Pentecostal women hair put up, skirts down to their ankles, sleeves covering their watches and adams apples, who were THE most masculine and authority usurping individuals on the planet. In fact, some of these women are actually scary. They look like ladies, but the persona they wear is nothing BUT masculine and man-like. So, for every lady you think acts different when she wears pants, I have a woman dressed in the skirts that would just as soon crush your man-spirit.

So the problem in your using Deut is sorrowfully wrong when you put it in the context of WE this and WE that, as in defining and regulating a corporate morality.

Yea you are right bcuz I've seen the same thing carp but I think most would agree that attire alone doesn't do the trick. our actions and deeds are always included in the equation. make sense ?

I also think we all agree there needs to be gender distinctives but where we draw the line seems to be the issue. my point here is, if Duet is not valid, what scripture is? and if there is NO scripture to back up gender distinctives, then do we allow everyone to do whatever they deem right in their own eyes ?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by StMark

Yea you are right bcuz I've seen the same thing carp but I think most would agree that attire alone doesn't do the trick. our actions and deeds are always included in the equation. make sense ?

I also think we all agree there needs to be gender distinctives but where we draw the line seems to be the issue. my point here is, if Duet is not valid, what scripture is? and if there is NO scripture to back up gender distinctives, then do we allow everyone to do whatever they deem right in their own eyes ?

At some point we have to stop preaching it is not a salvational issue, but forcing it on people. I have a problem with that.

[CC1]

St. Mark

I don't want to be offensive to anybody but I honestly have seen some Penteostal women who were so manly in their phsique that a little of that dreaded makeup and jewelry would have greatly enhanced their feminisim and made more of a differentiation between them and men.

[StMark]

Originally Posted by CC1

St. Mark,

I work with a guy who attends an area UPC church and a couple of years ago I overheard him discussing a new movie that was in the threaters. I saw him a little while later alone and kidded him that I was going to call his pastor or Bro. Haney about him going to movies. He laughed and told me it was kind of a "don't ask don't tell" policy when it came to movies. Just about all of the younger people did (he is about 30) but you didn't talk about it openly.

The moral issues thing has always been a problem with young people in Pentecost. When I was a teenager kids who wouldn't dream of going to a movie or in the case of girls wouldn't think of cutting their hair or wearing makeup would hop in the backseat of a car and get hot-n-heavy not long after shouting their uncut hair down.

I know there are many wonderful conservative Pentecostal young people who don't fit this description but I have to tell you that my boys experience with UPC girls is that they were "freaky" (meaning wild) compared to most of the girls they dated. I knew what they meant because when I was a teen it seemed like since we couldn't do much of anything (almost everything fun was a sin) so many resorted to physical / sexual pleasure.

Yea, He described it pretty well "don't ask Don't tell". It all started with Video as they said would at PSR, Carp
Church folk talk about movies pretty openly now though as well as secular music.
you are right CC, if we got caught going to the movies they'd put us on the alter and tell us we was going to hell.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

At some point we have to stop preaching it is not a salvational issue, but forcing it on people. I have a problem with that.

PO,

Re-read your post. Did you leave out a word or put in one too many? Is this really what you meant to say?

[SoCaliUPC]

Originally Posted by StMark

HO, most American Catholics today rarely go to church except on Christmas, funerals & weddings.

Here in CA. the first generation mexican Catholics are still faithful and are very traditional. some even still wear viels. But the younger ones who have let go of their traditions are just like the rest of America.

StMark...what do you mean by the younger ones look like the rest of America? Are you talking about the women? They may cut their hair and wear some make-up (down here...not so heavy....very light), but they still wear skirts.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by CC1

PO,

Re-read your post. Did you leave out a word or put in one too many? Is this really what you meant to say?

Well, I thought it made sense. Yes, I do mean that. It's confusing.

[StMark]

Originally Posted by CC1

St. Mark

I don't want to be offensive to anybody but I honestly have seen some Penteostal women who were so manly in their phsique that a little of that dreaded makeup and jewelry would have greatly enhanced their feminisim and made more of a differentiation between them and men.

So you are saying that women who don't wear makeup look manly????

that's not going to go over too well CC.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by CC1

That is because the producers edited you to sound and act like Shrek!*

*An Ogre

Hey!

I resemble that remark...

but aren't ogres usually dressed immodest??