Tulsa Tango - Page 6

Dan'D · #51 01-30-2008, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

The act that you describe at the end is "the evil of it."

Watching a televised class from your community college, a science documentary or a news report that you can't see anywhere else but on television is not "evil." In my home you would have to call a 1-800 number and impersonate me to gain access to the "evils" on television.

If your are UPC preacher does not the UPC manual speak against ministers having a TV in there home and you would had sign an agreement to that fact.

If you are not a UPC preacher then you have no dog in this fight.

If that is the case, why not.

Or you are not a pastor.

Dan'D

stmatthew · #52 01-30-2008, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan'D

If your are UPC preacher does not the UPC manual speak against ministers having a TV in there home and you would had sign an agreement to that fact.

If you are not a UPC preacher then you have no dog in this fight.

If that is the case, why not.

Or you are not a pastor.

Dan'D

The ministers manual gives provision for the minister to have video in his home, and defines what is allowable only as "wholesome entertainment".

TrmptPraise · #53 01-30-2008, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan'D

If your are UPC preacher does not the UPC manual speak against ministers having a TV in there home and you would had sign an agreement to that fact.

If you are not a UPC preacher then you have no dog in this fight.

If that is the case, why not.

Or you are not a pastor.

Dan'D

I love this. Now we have to be licensed by the "evil empire" in order to be intellectually competent to discuss the issue.

You don't have to be a UPC preacher (current or otherwise) to have a stance, have a right to an opinion, or to be able to logically converse about an issue as it relates to UPC reform. *Did I type reform out loud?

jrLA · #54 01-30-2008, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor G

Is there a part of sex before marriage that isn't evil?

Your analogy of sex before marriage to TV... Would be to get rid of your fiance until your wedding day so you won't have sex before then...

I trust our people not to watch anything bad on TV because I know what I have taught them and how they have responded... I trust in their integrity...

Also, I trust my daughter not to have sex before marriage because of what I have taught her and how she has responded... I trust her integrity...

You have to trust what you put into people sometime....

This is a very good post! The ministry is not the Gospel Police. They are called to deliver the word, to be the messenger! The people have to live it! The ministry can't possibly police what the saints are doing. We simply must trust them to be doers and not hearers only!

Rev · #55 01-30-2008, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

The act that you describe at the end is "the evil of it."

Watching a televised class from your community college, a science documentary or a news report that you can't see anywhere else but on television is not "evil." In my home you would have to call a 1-800 number and impersonate me to gain access to the "evils" on television.

That's something that you can do that. But TV is just like many other things. For most people if the TV is there they will watch any and everything. They will also spend so much time watching the thing they will not pray.

I don't mind someone having a TV,: just as long as they can't turn it on.

revrandy · #56 01-30-2008, 10:49 PM

Short Skirts and Sex....

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TrmptPraise · #57 01-30-2008, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rev

That's something that you can do that. But TV is just like many other things. For most people if the TV is there they will watch any and everything. They will also spend so much time watching the thing they will not pray.

I don't mind someone having a TV,: just as long as they can't turn it on.

Please take no offense, Rev. No doubt there are some things that can be addictive in one form or another, but I believe you underestimate the average saint in his ability to weed out the things that are unsuitable.

Does the bridge, spades or hearts player have to throw the cards out in fear that a poker game with break out?

Hoovie · #58 01-30-2008, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TrmptPraise

Please take no offense, Rev. No doubt there are some things that can be addictive in one form or another, but I believe you underestimate the average saint in his ability to weed out the things that are unsuitable.

Does the bridge, spades or hearts player have to throw the cards out in fear that a poker game with break out?

Some do still think this.

Rev · #59 01-30-2008, 11:27 PM

[QUOTE=TrmptPraise;374556]Please take no offense, Rev. No doubt there are some things that can be addictive in one form or another, but I believe you underestimate the average saint in his ability to weed out the things that are unsuitable.

Does the bridge, spades or hearts player have to throw the cards out in fear that a poker game with break out?[/QUOTE]

In some homes yes.

It's like booze. I could keep a bottle in my home and never touch it. Some would be drunk in an hour.

You don't serve real wine at communion because of those that can't handle booze. One drink is all it would take.

The same is true for TV. Some could handle it, most could not.

(I Co 8:9) But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
(I Co 8:10) For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol’s temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
(I Co 8:11) And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?
(I Co 8:12) But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.

pelathais · #60 01-30-2008, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rev

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Does the bridge, spades or hearts player have to throw the cards out in fear that a poker game with break out?[/QUOTE]

In some homes yes.

It's like booze. I could keep a bottle in my home and never touch it. Some would be drunk in an hour.

You don't serve real wine at communion because of those that can't handle booze. One drink is all it would take.

The same is true for TV. Some could handle it, most could not.

(I Co 8:9) But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
(I Co 8:10) For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol’s temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
(I Co 8:11) And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?
(I Co 8:12) But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.

Sadly Rev, you describe a condition of such weakness that I would question whether or not the power of God exists there at all, not to mention just plain common sense.

I've always hoped that my faith in God might give me some sense of a higher purpose and meaning in life. You know, something that would stir my heart when the weariness, pain and toils of life really bear down upon my soul.

Instead, you appear to offer a faith filled with a bunch of nagging old nannies who want to "inspect" everyone's home and life. Makes it kind of hard for me to envision the human condition as anything more than a bunch of snarling beasts.